Bodhisattava,
Been reading a lot of your posts since you came on here. You're very bright. I like how you think.
S4
Thank you for the support Seeker :)
i never knew if i was getting attacked by satan because i was doing good.. or if jehovah was allowing me to be tested by satan.
if i was reaping what i had sown.
if it was times and unforeseen occurances.. if i was really not going to have more put on me than i could bare.
Bodhisattava,
Been reading a lot of your posts since you came on here. You're very bright. I like how you think.
S4
Thank you for the support Seeker :)
the former owner of the newspaper i work for died today of cancer.
he was a tall, handsome man just past 50, with a great smile and sense of humor.
he hired me to work here four years ago, and we had a great time together.
((((((((((((((((((Seeker))))))))))))))))))))) so sorry you lost your friend...
thanks for sharing his story... and reminding us life is short
i never knew if i was getting attacked by satan because i was doing good.. or if jehovah was allowing me to be tested by satan.
if i was reaping what i had sown.
if it was times and unforeseen occurances.. if i was really not going to have more put on me than i could bare.
Purp, during the time I was a jw, I could not understand why things never seemed to work out right. Or the way I expected.
All the stress and anger I had, got even worse when the elders interfered in my marriage. All said and done it ended in divorce and me df'd.
I felt I had to see a psychologist and after our first visit, he hands me a small book on psychology that states plainly right up front , that LIFE IS DIFFICULT.
I read the whole damned book in one week. The next visit he talks about my life and asks questions about the jw's and their requirements. Then he described just how this cult increased the demand of almost every aspect of my life.
Then he talked about the mental confusion "dissonance" that happens when what is claimed to be truth by an important "in our mind" source, does not agree with what we see in real life, but we aren't aware enough, to place the blame where it belongs.
After this is where I began to "change me", to fit into the reality of life and not the lies of the wbts.
Outoftheorg
Oddly enough Years later I had a conversation with a local religious minister and the subject of psychology came up. Then during our visit he made this statement. "You know that psychology can destroy ones spirituality." I felt like saying "yeah, that's why I love it". But I didn't.
i love your entire post!!!!!
i never knew if i was getting attacked by satan because i was doing good.. or if jehovah was allowing me to be tested by satan.
if i was reaping what i had sown.
if it was times and unforeseen occurances.. if i was really not going to have more put on me than i could bare.
No doubt buddhist masters gain some amount of practical results. I acknowledge that, I respect that. But I spent too much time with Christianity telling me all life is sinful to spend much in another religion that makes basically the same philosophical claim of the nature of existence
agreed i feel the same - i personally find these teaching extremely practical and liberating. i am not part of the religion. and as far as i know buddhists don't have a concept of sin(?) not sure, as i am more interested and have read more info about the mystical buddhist (tibetan) and not the conventional.
it seems that many people turn to religions in order to cope with the suffering that IS just a part of life. i like the realistic approach of yea 'shit' happens- how you deal with it, how you let it affect you is what will be the defining factors- NOT the approach of 'what did i do wrong or why is god punishing me.'
so the basic idealogy of being non attached to your desires (expectations, internal OR external) can be quite liberating as in our western culture we identify so heavily on 'how our life has turned out' or 'these bad things happening to me' meaning a lot of self judgement.
k im done LOL :) thanks everyone !
i never knew if i was getting attacked by satan because i was doing good.. or if jehovah was allowing me to be tested by satan.
if i was reaping what i had sown.
if it was times and unforeseen occurances.. if i was really not going to have more put on me than i could bare.
With all due respect to Buddah and our gentle posters, I think I'll take "suffering".
it doesnt seem that we have much choice about it does it ;) - just how we handle the suffering i suppose
my main point is that the WTS sets it believers up with unrealistic expectations. so the desire to fulfill these is the true problem IMHO
:)
i'm that person that was here like...a month or two ago, then disapeared.
i came back one day, only to find that i was signed out.
password somethin or other.
Hi Mouse
hang in there- you can make it!! dont be a stranger :)
just wanted to introduce myself to every one here i am ania's sister and have been visiting her for a few days.
she has found some inner peace and solace in identifying with others.
i must say it has opened my eye's somewhat!.
Hi Baako :) Welcome! HUGZZZ
watching my son grow is amazing.
he is into everything, thoroughly enjoying exploring, growing and learning every day.. i was reflecting how as each day passes, he learns more and he knows more; and thinking back to my childhood.
the more i learned, the more i knew.
i think that always having an open mind is the answer. just thinking you're right doesnt mean you are.
as you may know, i am a zealous advocate of using depression as a means of fading out of the organization.. let me add that a hint of craziness or mental illness can work wonders, too.
instead of shunning you, your witness.
relatives and "friends" may make quite an allowance for you, if you just keep your mouth shut about deep apostasy.. they may just feel sorry for you and leave you alone- at least, that's largely my experience.. remember that movie that said "love means never having to say you're sorry"?
i think that it was pretty oubvious that this original post was written with a little humor- the best medicine....
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(what inspired me to write this subject was a bone chilling account .
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