Posts by StillGroggy

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Watchtower November 15 - study article "Reject apostasy"

by truthseeker in

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every few issues, the society likes to have a dig at apostates.

they never state what apostates believe or what their arguments are.. the first study article, "keep yourselves in god's love!

" is about avoiding wrongdoing.. .

StillGroggy

"WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REJECT THE FRAUD KNOWN AS WATCHTOWER BIBLE BOOK PUBLISHING CORP.?"

Not for long, I don't know how long I can take this!

Hopefully soon I'll be standing next to yall with a placard on like Danny Haszard.

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Still Groggy: Double Agent's Blog #001 - "Pressure Building"

by StillGroggy in

(copied from my blog) .

anyone who's seen my posts on jwd knows that im an active jw whos married in the religion.

i recently started leaning my "family study" with my wife to a more free-thinking, personal researching mode.

StillGroggy

Thanks onthewayout, I feel so depressed today, and your words gave me strength.

I feel really week after that argument yesterday. That's why I said I was getting my strength up

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Still Groggy: Double Agent's Blog #001 - "Pressure Building"

by StillGroggy in

(copied from my blog) .

anyone who's seen my posts on jwd knows that im an active jw whos married in the religion.

i recently started leaning my "family study" with my wife to a more free-thinking, personal researching mode.

StillGroggy

(Copied from my blog)

Anyone who's seen my posts on jwd knows that Im an active JW whos married in the religion. I recently started leaning my "family study" with my wife to a more free-thinking, personal researching mode. (Real studying) Between this and keeping up with the many hurdles of JW life (Meetings, Studying, Comments), I'd been doing a pretty good job of keeping my cover, while trying to get my wife thinking about her religion.

Until yesterday.

I almost blew my cover, and It's all thanks to this site right here. Myspace.

My wife is a well-indoctrinated JW. While being a free-thinker in nearly every other aspect of her life, she will NOT question the organization or anything that comes from the platform.

We were at a fellow JWs house, he's more of a liberal JW. We play violent video games together, and he and several of my other JW friends are on myspace.com.

To stay under the radar, as myspace is the flavor of the week, being demonized throughout the organization through talk after talk, I don't have a myspace (in my real name, ha!) So I am not a part of my JW friends myspace network.

Anyway, my wife decides to bring up myspace and everything that's wrong with it at this guy's house. (She later said she didn't know that he was on myspace) I have always felt uncomfortable speaking with people about what JWs consider "conscience matters" as different people have different ideas and these conversations generally end up with people having sore feelings towards each other and the stricter witness seeing the other as a "spiritual weakling" and "bad associate."

But the conversation continued, with my wife slamming the site and my friend defending it, I tried to avoid the conversation by leaving the room, but my wife pursued me. she asked what I thought. I said that I could see how it could be dangerous for some people but I can't in good conscience condemn it because I have several business and personal websites and I don't see myspace as any different.

I told her I didn't want to talk about it and that really set her off. She spat something at me about disagreeing with the "faithful and discreet slave" and I took offense. (This is a jw's way of accusing another of apostasy, which you can be disfellowshipped for).
After getting really angry with me and leaving the room, I went out after her and we had a lovely fight about it. We made up and the rest of the night went relatively normal.

Anyway, on the ride home she grilled me more about it. She said she just wanted to understand my mentality. Here's where I messed up, I asserted that "A conscience matter is anything that isn't in the bible. If something isn't in the bible, then I can't condemn people for it" This, of course doesn't go well with JWs since they go WAY beyond the bible in their lists of Dos/Dont's.

I said "What kind of conversation is this, any way I LOSE. They said NO MYSPACE and since I disagree with that, what point is there in talking about it!

I also said that "You can't condemn me for using my mind"
She said "Do you think I'm brainwashed! Im just following people who are guided by holy spirit!" and
"Do you like being in the truth?"

I couldn't blow my cover so I backpedaled and gave typical JW responses for the rest of her quesitons, talking about how I love the truth and wait on jehovah for things that don't make sense and that I'll eventually be set right.

Anyway, all my reasoning with my wife and trying to get her thinking about the bible and the organization seems to be going to waste.

The rest of the night and in my dreams I mourned the loss of my entire life and my wonderful wife to this mind-controlling cult. I'm coming to terms with the fact that I will most likely end up shunned by all and will 99% likely lose my marriage to this battle.

Once I get my strength up, Ill be ready for war.

www.myspace.com/stillgroggy

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Jehovah's witnesses in the movies.... funny stuff!

by gordon d in

this is a variation from the previous post: .

"learning to substitute jw terms and phrases for real ones, for example" .

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/123548/1.ashx .

StillGroggy

that last one killed me

Elder #1 "Well, would you like to open this JC with a word of prayer, Elder #2?"
Elder #2 "We gunna make you squeal like a pig, boi!"
Elder #3 "You gotta perty mouth!"

- deliverance

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The new Track has anyone heard?

by ladione5000 in

we are all doomed to death, i think by the end of this year too, so we dont have long .

i heard that the work is going to stop, that would be kindof nice here since it is so cold in the winter and knocking on doors waking people up is really lame in the first place, i often wondered why we had to hit the streets so early and make people so angry?.

well supposely this new track is hitting him where it hurts, they are out right telling people they are going to die at the hands of god if they do not join up with the jws right now.

StillGroggy

Allot of dubs are talking about expecting a wave of persecution and getting spit on and the like... (Believe it or not, this is wishful thinking for JWs.)

People are always talking about how the WT is going to get more hard-hitting in the coming months.

YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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Give yourself a JW nickname

by JH in

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friends

at the meetings, i didn't make many comments so i'll call myself:.

brother mute.

give yourself a jw nickname.

StillGroggy

Brother Double Agent

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What planted the seed of doubt that lead you to leave or think of leaving?

by NanaR in

i've been thinking of this a lot lately.

the following experience ties my first doubt in with my present life.

as a backdrop to this, you should know that i was a 5th generation "raised in the truth" jw through my mother (her great-grandfather got "the truth" from pastor russell).

StillGroggy

Nelly, wow... just wow.

I can't image what 75 was like, especially since most dubs i know sweep it under the rug and have internalized the society's view of the matter.

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Sign of the Times/the End is Near!!!!!!!!!!

by mama1119 in

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friends

my dad told me a story today about a dub he works with.

my dad is a huge spots fan, and he was talking to this dub about the incident a couple years ago when some baseball player wrote a book about all the steroid use in sports...just normal conversation...and this dub shook his head and said..."just goes to show you the end is near, its a sign of the end of system of things".

where in the bible did it list baseball players steroid use as a sign of the end???

StillGroggy

Most dubs i know are like this, they usually throw in the bigotted "worldy people" comment in there. "like, that's just how worldly people are, they're worldly!"

Makes me so effing angry.

*AAAAAAHHHHHHHH*

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What did you throw out when u became a JW?

by dobbie in

it really pigs me off now when i think back to what i was told to get rid of when i was studying.my collection of stephen king books, my new madonna like a prayer record that i loved, my alice cooper and guns and roses album.

i was even told not to listen to classical music because some of the composers led such debauched lives!also any film with an 18 certificate was a nono in case others were stumbled - even though i have seen other jws reading stephen king books and watching 18 cert films and my husband had the complete madonna collection!and of course depeche modes 'personal jesus' song which i loved.

and my lost boys album and video cos it was about vampires.i was just wondering what sort of things were you told you should get rid of and why?

StillGroggy

Little Drummer Boy I cried reading your reply. OMG. All the MAIDEN! JUDAS PRIEST! D&D Games! OMG That suckkkkkkkkkkkkzzzzzz.

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How do I explain my Jehovah's Witness past to a potential mate?

by The wanderer in

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friends

explaining my jehovah's witness past to a potential mate all things considered, this is the one thing that bothers me tremendously.. so much so, that it has kept me out of the dating scene let alone to be.

properly wed. .

captured by an institution called the watchtower bible.

StillGroggy

this is an awesome thread. Thanks Wanderer, you really get the convo going!

You probably don't wanna break out the "I was in a cult" on the first date. However, people hit a point when they start discussing past & issues, and that's when you can talk about it. Get her on JWD! We can let her konw what its like!

There's allot of things people have in their past including sexual abuse, violent relationships, etc. Everybody's got something. Your past in the WT probably won't be too weird for anyone.

-SG