I don't see how you prove from the bible that anyone goes to heaven. There are no verses suggesting that at all. The 144,000 from the 12 tribes will inherit land here on Earth, and so will the others. The resurrection hasn't happened yet, everyone who ever died is dead right now in Sheol, and that's that. The bible tells the tale of when Messiah returns he will resurrect the faithful dead and they will rule as Kings and Priests here ON the Earth (Rev 5:10, Matthew 5:5). There is nothing about anyone other then the high priest entering the holy of holies.
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CONTEST! See who can answer this really hard dub/bible Question.
by gumby inaint i a clever bastard?
i worded that there thread title so's i get you to read this and help my poor forgetful, used to remember, brain out and show me some documentation using jw's vs. christendom teachings on this question.
here's the question.. how do you prove to a jehovah's witness that the "great crowd" spoken of in the book of revelations is a group who's eternal hope is a "heavenly one" rather than a "seperate" group of jesus followers with a seperate eternal residential destiny?.
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For some reason I cannot get the link to post so it is clickable. How do you do that?
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Let's Get A Woman For President
by Butters inuh, hey guys, i was kinda wonderin' what you all think of a woman for president here in 2008?
i like the idea myself... in another thread i said "i noticed that i found myself more sorrowful for military funerals then i used to be, and i am finally starting to see christmas as an act of love, and not so much a disobedience to god's ways.
i often thought of how jesus took the pharisee's traditions and explained how they were evil, because of how they were being used.
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I also like the idea of voting for Katie Couric. She would make one hot momma prez.
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Mars bar post reminds me of another!
by 5thGeneration ini was yelled at once by a sister for buying the canadian beer 'sleemans' because apparantly it's founder john sleeman was an apostate.. trust me, you can't make this #$@& up!
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I used to have that problem. Now I just think of Baseball.
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2nd Corinthians 3
by Butters ini want to get a solid opinion on this chapter from everyone.
2nd corinithians 3 is a major set back for those who believe in keeping the 10 commandments.
possibly.
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Hi Carmel, I don't understand your reply. Could you elaborate a little further on this one? Thank you. Or are you just being facetious? If so, please don't be. I posted this in this area because this is a serious discussion forum. If you want to joke around please do so in another forum.
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Trade Centers/Pentagon
by Butters ini was wonderin' how you guys see the conspiracy of the trade center demolition and the attack on the pentagon?
it has been well established now some years later that there must have been detonation devices lining the elevator shafts of the three trade towers that collapsed.
after 1 and 2 fell, no one really ever questioned the way that 3rd one fell in the same manner (pancake collapse style, as a controlled demolition goes).
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Hi, I like your thoughts, but nonetheless you still miss a really big picture. Have you ever looked at the street layout of Washington DC? Do you know what the Obelisk that both the White House and Captiol Building face is all about? Do you know what the number 11 represents? There are some things going on in the Masonic world that you are left in the dark about. Freemasons are playing games. Large scale war games. There isn't going to be any "leak" since this group is bigger then you and bigger then me. It is an entity that represents the evil of this dark world. The spiritual wickedness in high places. They have been here for a very long time. They began in Bavaria. They aren't going away anytime soon. The hummers in the white house, and the small little things are there to amuse us. They actually handled all their espionage and coverups quite well. Clinton's affair was meant to be discovered, along with a dozen other follies throughout his administration. That is the point of having a puppet for the puppeteer. So the puppeteer is not discovered. (The joint chiefs of staff in this case who are a family group of oil tycoons, energy economists and other wealthy elites.) Hope this helps. Shalom.
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Does anyone see the UN as having any power?
by free2beme ini remember growing up as a witness and thinking that the un was this great world power.
i remember hearing how it was part of this global plan of the end of days, and how jehovah would use it to fulfill prophecy.
now, i see the un as a giant waste of time and money and if it was disbanded tomorrow, i think it would be the best thing for the world.
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I think they should hand it over to Chavez and then see what the witnesses do with their literature. Sort of an experiment.
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Trade Centers/Pentagon
by Butters ini was wonderin' how you guys see the conspiracy of the trade center demolition and the attack on the pentagon?
it has been well established now some years later that there must have been detonation devices lining the elevator shafts of the three trade towers that collapsed.
after 1 and 2 fell, no one really ever questioned the way that 3rd one fell in the same manner (pancake collapse style, as a controlled demolition goes).
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I see. Ok folks. Based on the evidence, I think we can close this thread now and go eat campbells chicken noodle soup for our noodly heads. Let's all basque in the warmth of TV's glowing truth, and learn from our loving media and be good Americans. Love your president and salute him. He is a smart and kind man. (Anti-Butters 6:66)
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"NO...SLEEP... NO SLEEP TILL BROOKLYN...." Anyone know who sings that??
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Holy spirit my ass!!!
by unbeliever inmy mom called to tell me that my cousin made ms and how happy everyone is.
we got to talking about how the elders think they are led by holy spirit and crap like that.
it damn near killed me not to say anything but my cousin is a double lifer.
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Oh well, hopefully you can love him and forgive him as he is family. We must try and help these people out of the organization is the point, right? The best thing to do is always feed your enemy, love them, give them a drink, forgive them. It is like pouring hot coals on their head. Apparently. If that doesn't work, just get the real hot coals...