SwedishChef,
When I suggested that using the excuse that "God is infinite, we are finite" to avoid thinking about what we believe, you accused me of being a liar and braggart if I claimed to understand the existence of God. That is a neat way of evading the question that I raised. While I cannot comprehend the infinite I do understand and can explain what I believe about God, which R.A.Torrey (whom you quote) says "is manifestly impossible" for trinitarians.
The fact is that the Church has explained what they believe about the trinity in both the Nicene and Athanasian creeds which is what I was asking about. That is why it is a cop-out to dismiss questions because..."God is a mystery". R.A.Torrey says that they cannot be three and one in the same sense. In what sense, then, are they one ? If you agree with the creeds that they are one in substance then I would appreciate consideration of my question: If you do not believe that the nature/substance of the angels is the same as the Son because they were created but he was begotten, why do you believe the nature/substance of the Holy Spirit, who was neither created no begotten, is the same as the Son and the Father ? If you do not believe they are one in substance in what sense do you believe they are one ?
If one resorts to saying that the teaching cannot be explained then you believe it because the Church says it is true. That is fine if you are Catholic and believe that God continues to reveal truth through the Pope (when he speaks "ex cathedra"). But I gathered that was not the case. Although I wouldn't speak too badly of the Catholics as they are second cousins to Baptists (related via the Church of England). The Mormons also believe in latter-day revelation but their trinity is three gods so that won't do. But, teasing aside, if we are searching for truth we do need to measure it against what we have already proven to be true.
Earnest