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Gorbatchev

by Gorb in

jw
friends

the real gorby has died today.

he was my inspiration for change, with perestroika and glasnost.. that is why i chose the name gorby at jwn.. see the man at the background.

he was there also.. g..

Earnest

Mikhail Gorbachev in Pizza Hut commercial, 1997 here.

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Senior JW member in Australia charged with sex crimes and torture

by Nathan Natas in

see: https://7news.com.au/news/crime/senior-jehovahs-witnesses-member-charged-with-rape-torture-and-assault-of-teenage-boys-c-8044666.

"senior jehovah’s witnesses member charged with rape, torture and assault of teenage boys...".

the 61 year-old man "faces 21 counts of rape, 17 counts of sexual assault, 13 counts of procuring sexual acts by false pretence and one count each of incest, torture and common assault.".

The accused man withdrew his application for bail after documents showed he owns up to five properties and holds multiple passports. He was remanded in custody until his next court appearance on October 28.

Police allege the sex acts against several men, including ex-bible study students, occurred over years at several properties on the Sunshine Coast and in Brisbane.

Police allege two of the victims tried to report to religious elders and "were chastised, not believed and ostracised" and accused of being homosexual, before they went to police.

It also reports that his wife claims the alleged victims have "an axe to grind" with the Jehovah's Witnesses church.

In an affidavit tendered to the Maroochydore Magistrates Court the woman called the people who had made allegations against her husband "apostates". She clarified the term meant the group were "formerly members of our church who are now against our church".

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Senior JW member in Australia charged with sex crimes and torture

by Nathan Natas in

see: https://7news.com.au/news/crime/senior-jehovahs-witnesses-member-charged-with-rape-torture-and-assault-of-teenage-boys-c-8044666.

"senior jehovah’s witnesses member charged with rape, torture and assault of teenage boys...".

the 61 year-old man "faces 21 counts of rape, 17 counts of sexual assault, 13 counts of procuring sexual acts by false pretence and one count each of incest, torture and common assault.".

Earnest

Sea Breeze : I wonder if he was an elder; anyone know?

In a 7NEWS Brisbane news report, they said that "police allege he's an elder in a Jehovah's Witness community on the Sunshine Coast and that he used that position of power to commit these offences".

News reports say he was arrested in Maloolaba, a suburb of Maroochydore, where there is a congregation. It may be true that where there is smoke there is fire, but there are aspects of this report which incline me to doubt and I await the judgement of the Court with interest.

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Another Bad Egg

by jonahstourguide in

hi folks.. just another case to prove that the tower organisation has creeps that other organisations do.. they are not special or chosen by god.

i wonder if it will make mainstream new here in oz.

i will paste some of the article in a few minutes.. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahukewi1qogytuv5ahutsmwghv69ab0qfnoecaoqaq&url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.portstephensexaminer.com.au%2fstory%2f7880595%2fqld-parishioner-charged-with-rape-torture%2f%3fcs%3d7&usg=aovvaw3yd9rimx8sarai1vnbehev.

Earnest

smiddy3, try this link.

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Canada : Baby of Jehovah's Witness parents may receive blood transfusions

by yalbmert99 in

canada, province of québec : baby of jehovah's witness parents may receive blood transfusions.

in french, use google translate for english.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1907941/temoin-jehovah-transfusion-sang-anemie.

Earnest

Fisherman : Usually, in a medical emergency of a child or when deemed medically necessary to save its life, the child is a ward of the State when parents refuse its “lifesaving” medical treatment.

That's true, Fisherman, but it still needs a court order in most countries. What makes this case different is that there was no medical emergency and the child's life was not in immediate danger. The child was actuellement une bonne condition ("currently in good condition"). The doctor informed the Court that 90% of extremely premature babies need blood transfusion at some stage of their treatment and so the Court order was requested in anticipation that a blood transfusion would be required.

While I understand why a doctor would want such a court order before an emergency occurred, this doesn't seem to me what the law intended and I would be surprised if there was not an appeal.

Article 16 of the Code civil du Québec ("C.C.Q.") states:

The authorization of the court is necessary in the event of unjustified impediment or refusal by a person who can consent to care required by the state of health of a minor ...

At the time the matter was brought to Court a blood transfusion was not required, just anticipated.

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Canada : Baby of Jehovah's Witness parents may receive blood transfusions

by yalbmert99 in

canada, province of québec : baby of jehovah's witness parents may receive blood transfusions.

in french, use google translate for english.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1907941/temoin-jehovah-transfusion-sang-anemie.

Earnest

The actual ruling on the case which yalbmert99 refers to can be read here (in French).

The case was heard on 19th August 2022 and the parties were the Centre Hospitalier Universitaire de Québec – Université Laval ("CHUQ") as Applicant and the parents of the infant, RC and MP, as Defendants. The case was heard before Judge Philippe Cantin with the hospital's Legal Affairs Dept. representing CHUQ, and W. Glen How representing the parents.

The context of the case was that the child of the defendants was born at 26 weeks and 6 days pregnant, which is extremely premature. The hospital was seeking authorization to administer blood products which the parents opposed because of their religious beliefs.

The doctor explained that the child was hospitalized in the intensive care unit and, although it was currently in good condition, that was likely to deteriorate rapidly. Urgent transfusions might be required should there be active bleeding, surgery, or clinical degradation associated with anemia, thrombocytopenia, or bleeding disorder.

The parents argued that authorization should not be granted since the current state of their child's health did not require a transfusion.

The Court held that the preponderance of the evidence showed that the state of the child's health did require the care offered by CHUQ.

It authorized CHUQ to administer transfusions of blood products if it is deemed medically appropriate, but ordered them to minimize this to the extent that the child's state of health permits. It also directed them to inform the parents each time a transfusion of blood products is to be administered to the child and to provide them with any reasonable explanation for this procedure.

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A handy CHRONOLOGY of the life and times of Charles and Maria Russell

by Terry in

1852 charles taze russell was born in(february 16) in pittsburgh, pennsylvania.

he was raised in a strict presbyterian home.. 1868 (age 16) in an encounter with a non-believer he became disillusioned over the subject of whether god as a heavenly father would burn his children in hell.

side note: 1869 (joseph franklin rutherford was born and raised a baptist).

Earnest

dropoffyourkeylee, Terry is correct to say that the Watch Tower Tract Society was formed in 1881 (although it was only legally incorporated in 1884). The Henry Ward Beecher mansion at 124 Columbia Heights was purchased in 1908 and occupied in 1909.

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Watchtower lawyer fined for misleading the court

by Diogenesister in

watchtower lawyer david brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the montana case.

the result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that wtpa did have a pivotal role in congregational business, which brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it.

he will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.. see mark o donnell's twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=emdh163jnfi8kb6zch-uga&s=19.

Earnest

Diogenesister (quoting Corney's post here) :

Brumley and Taylor knew that Brumley’s representations were false.
Brumley and Taylor knowingly made and perpetuated false statements and then attempted to cover those false statements up by refusing to produce discoverable and material evidence.

Only Brumley was sanctioned. The Court was not persuaded that Joel Taylor [in-house counsel for WTPA] engaged in any sanctionable conduct as such allegations "were supported by nothing more than speculation" (p.8).

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Financial Wizards & Wealthy Cults The Rothschild Bloodline AND Connection to JW's.

by JakeM2012 in

i was doing research on the political powers in the u.s. and what exactly was the drive, goals, and ambitions between the different parties.

i stumbled upon information regarding the illuminati/rothchild family having great power throughout the world with different parties and the rothchild's goal to have a new world order from hundreds of years back and how they were involved in satanic worship.

it was interesting to see that c.t.

Earnest

Russell's letter in Zion's Watchtower for December 1891, as mentioned by Vienne above, is in a section entitled 'A New Government for Palestine Proposed', copied below.

"Copy of a letter of suggestion written by the Editor while in Palestine, to the two leading Hebrews of the World, Barons Rothschild and Hirsch."

Jerusalem, August l8th, 1891.
To the Honorable BARON HIRSCH.

RESPECTED SIR:- I, a Christian, but a lover of the seed of Jacob, especially because of the promises of God yet remaining to them and the Holy Land, address you upon a subject which I know lies close to your heart.

That you may know of my interest in your people, I will cause to be sent to you a copy of each of two volumes of my own writings, in which the promises of God to your nation are cited and commented upon.

At present, accompanied by my wife, I am in Palestine, taking a hasty view of the land of promise and its people, and considering the prospects of the soon fulfilment of the predictions of the prophets. As you will see from my books, we find the testimony of the prophets to be, that your nation will be greatly blessed and returned to divine favor between now and the year 1915, A. D.

The present persecutions in Russia we believe to be a mark of divine favor rather than the reverse. The Lord declares that he will drive them out of all lands whither he has scattered them. We believe that so far from this persecution abating, the near future may see it greatly increased among the various nations of Europe in the midst of which Jews reside.

We believe that the Lord’s Word teaches that the people are to be in great part gathered into the land of Palestine, and the fact that all entrance thither has recently been barred inclines us to think that the time has come for opening the door thither yet wider than ever before. This seems to be indicated in the words of the prophet. – See Jer. 32:37-44; 33:6-22.

As I do not own an inch of ground in this land, I cannot be accused of having any selfish reasons for offering the following the following suggestions of what appears to me to be the only immediate solution of the difficulty. My suggestion is as follows, and refers to all Syria :-

The revenues derived from Palestine by the Government amount to about £l00,000 per annum. This sum, however, is absorbed by the local government of Palestine, and it is doubtful whether Turkey ever receives one piaster of it - except in the way of bonuses paid bv those who obtain official positions in the land. I have been unable to obtain any reliable figures respecting the taxes of Syria as a whole, but it is safe to assume that the results to Turkey are no more profitable than those from Palestine.

My suggestion is that the wealthy Hebrews purchase from Turkey, at a fair valuation, all of her propertv interests in these lands; i. e., all the Government lands (lands not held by private owners), under the provision that Syria and Palestine shall be constituted a FREE STATE, the government of which shall be in the hands of a board of thirteen Directors, appointed as follows: One Director to be chosen by each of the following Governments:- Great Britain and Ireland, France, Germany, Russia, Austria, Italy, Turkey, Greece, and the United States of America, should they approve the scheme; and the remainder of the thirteen to be elected by the suffrages of the people of Syria, none being eligible to said election who has not lived in the land for three consecutive years.

Religious liberty should be fully guaranteed to all the inhabitants. Each Director should be a resident of the Iand during the tenure of office, and should receive £1,000 sterling per annum, and no other fees, emoluments or bribes, under penalty of disgrace and banishment. Those Directors appointed by the various governments should also be the Ministers Plenipotentiary of those Governments without additional fees therefor.

Each of the nations invited to join representatively in the government should he required to contribute a sum of money, say £10,000, for the carrying out of the project and as a test of its interest in the welfare of the land and its people. Just at present all nations are interested in providing a home for the Russian exiles; and the poverty of Turkey would facilitate the purchase of her estate in Syria at reasonable figures. This I conceive to be a feasible plan, because all of the above nations are interested in Palestine, having directly or indirectly expended large sums of money there. The plan of making it a free state, under the control of all, I believe would be pleasing to all; whereas, to put the land under the control of any of them exclusively, would be strenuously opposed by the others. The land should, however, be free from all other nations, except through their appointed representative Directors.

A liberal Constitution should be drawn up, alterable only by the consent of at least nine of the thirteen Directors. In all other matters the majority should rule - under the limitations of said Constitution. The new blood and new ideas thus introduced into the government would soon show upon the people and the land, and they would rapidly advance to civilized conditions in every particular.

You are no doubt well aware that, notwithstanding the large sums of money sent here by Hebrews and others, many of the people here are far from comfortable; and all will agree that the two things most needful to this land are a wise, just and good government and plenty of water.

The water is indispensable to health. The stench is dreadful as one passes through the city, especially in the Jewish quarter. I can only account for the absence of some plague by the extreme purity of the mountain air. In almost every other climate such filth and drouth would surely bring pestilence. In one more month, I am told, water will be selling at two or three piasters a skin.

The present government and laws, although said to be a great improvement on those of the past, all will admit are very far from good. The poor peasants or fellah are robbed of almost all they can earn - first, by the money-lender, who exacts from 10 to 50 per cent interest, paid in advance, and secondly, by the tax-collector, who extorts all he can possibly squeeze of the balance. Many of the Jews coming from Russia are poor, and many are wealthy. Seemingly, the latter consider it their business to grind profits out of their brethren and neighbors instead of helping them, while the former, following the example of Romanists and Greeks, think it their duty to spend all their time in prayer and ceremonies, while they are supported by the donations of friends in Europe and America. Your charities and those of Baron Rothschild and Sir Moses Montefiore have been productive of great good and are still beneficial (except, perhaps, the payment of so many francs per head for support of some of the colonists, which is leading some to multiply their children and grandchildren as rapidly as possible, to increase their income).

What is needed here, therefore, next to water and cleanliness, is a good government which will protect the poor from the ravenous and wealthy.

Banking institutions on sound bases, and doing business honorablv, are also greatly needed. The poor, I am told, hide whatever money they can save in holes in the earth, where it is ultimately lost to themselves and the world. These, no doubt. would deposit in banks of whose standing they would have no doubt.

I suggest further that as Jerusalem is so full of items of deep interest to the civilized world, as well as to the Jews, it would meet with general favor to introduce into the Constitution provisions guaranteeing that Jerusalem shall remain practically as it is at present - except that it be cleaned up - that all shops and business be prohibited inside the Walls; that sanitary regulations be strictly enforced; that the city be sewered thoroughly - a very practical matter and one of but moderate expense if “Solomon’s Quarries,” underlying a great portion of the city, be utilized for the laying of the larger sewer pipes.

Outside the city the minimum width of the streets and the minimum size of building lots should be subjects of law, as the people have narrow ideas as to what “will do.”

Under such an arrangement as above referred to, much money would be provided by lovers of the Holy Land for water, aqueducts, artesian wells, etc., etc., and soon the barren places would become a paradise.

I believe that now is the Lord’s time for the long promised deliverance of Israel (and my reasons for so believing you will observe in my two works mailed to you and above referred to); and that it will be accomplished by some such concerted project among the nations is, I believe, indicated by the prophet Isaiah:

“And they shall bring all your brethren out of all nations as an offering unto the Lord, upon horses and in chariots and in litters and upon mules and upon swift beasts, to my holv mountain. Jerusalem. saith the Lord. . . . . For as the new heavens and the new earth (the Kingdom of God) which I will make shall have permanence before me, saith the Lord, so shall exist permanently your seed and your name.” - Isa. 66:20, 22.

The Cross & Crown on Watch Tower

by BoogerMan in

can anyone state what year russell & co. first introduced the cross & crown on the cover of the watch tower?.

Earnest

Anna Marina : Earnest, if it was 1891 then that was the same year C T Russell wrote a letter that contained a reference to Baron Rothschild.

I presume you are referring to the letter Russell sent to Baron Maurice de Hirsch which was published in the December 1891 Watchtower in an article A New Government for Palestine Proposed. A copy of the letter was sent to Baron Rothschild as one of the "leading Hebrews of the World" and a leading proponent of the Zionist movement, promoting industrialization and economic development in Palestine.

Russell wrote the letter in August, 1891, while he was in Palestine "considering the prospects of the soon fulfillment of the predictions of the prophets" :

As you will see from my books, we find the testimony of the prophets to be, that your nation will be greatly blessed and returned to divine favor between now and the year 1915, A. D. ... We believe that the Lord's Word teaches that the people are to be in great part gathered into the land of Palestine.

Russell's suggestion was that wealthy Hebrews purchase from Turkey, at a fair valuation, all of her property interests in Syria and Palestine; i.e. all the Government lands (lands not held by private owners), under the provision that Syria and Palestine shall be constituted a free state.

Of course Rothschild would be included among the "wealthy Hebrews". Your implication this had anything to do with the Cross & Crown on the Watchtower cover is ludicrous. In fact, both Hirsch (who founded the Jewish Colonization Association on September 11, 1891) and Rothschild were largely involved in establishing Jewish communities in Ottoman Turkey, although not quite to the extent that Russell had proposed.