Their being no part of the world which included refusing to support either the government military or the "freedom fighters" in apartheid South Africa, refusing to salute the flag or sing either the national anthem or "freedom songs". It was a faith that lived what they preached in a polarised country in which the churches were equally polarised.
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Ten reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses have the true religion (plus a bonus one)
by slimboyfat inthinking back when i was a true believer these are probably the top ten reasons why i believed jws are the true religion.
1. they show love among themselves by not going to war.
not killing your fellow believers in any circumstances, including war, would seem to be a very basic requirement for true christianity.
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WHEN WILL THE ANOINTED BE TAKEN TO HEAVEN
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/sptboe8_kuc?si=cnb837qqdlm1glx0.
this is a question that has preoccupied the minds of the governing body " when will the last anointed be taken up to heaven?
" when did this nonsense begin ?
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slimboyfat : ... that would tend to suggest 1935 no longer has any bearing on the timing of the first resurrection either.
No, I don't think so. The argument is that it was in 1935 that the identification of the great crowd referred to in Revelation 7 occurred. As that identification was given by one of the 24 elders (who represent the 144,000), it is clear that some of the 144,000 must have been resurrected by that time. So the start of the first resurrection could not be after 1935.
While it is true that 1935 has been dropped as a significant date related to when the selection of the anointed ends, the fact remains that it was then that the great crowd were identified.
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WHEN WILL THE ANOINTED BE TAKEN TO HEAVEN
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/sptboe8_kuc?si=cnb837qqdlm1glx0.
this is a question that has preoccupied the minds of the governing body " when will the last anointed be taken up to heaven?
" when did this nonsense begin ?
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Vanderhoven7 : 1918: This year is critical to current Watch Tower eschatology.
No longer. It is simply an interesting possibility. The Watchtower of January 1, 2007 discussed the first resurrection and says :
Jesus Christ was anointed as the future King of God’s Kingdom in the fall of 29 C.E. Three and a half years later, in the spring of 33 C.E., he was resurrected as a mighty spirit person. Could it, then, be reasoned that since Jesus was enthroned in the fall of 1914, the resurrection of his faithful anointed followers began three and a half years later, in the spring of 1918? That is an interesting possibility. Although this cannot be directly confirmed in the Bible, it is not out of harmony with other scriptures that indicate that the first resurrection got under way soon after Christ’s presence began.
The same Watchtower is slightly more positive that the first resurrection started between 1914 and 1935, but while 1914 is the terminus post quem, the terminus ante quem of 1935 is "indicated" but not certain.
What, then, can we deduce from the fact that one of the 24 elders identifies the great crowd to John [Revelation 7:13,14] ? It seems that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today. Why is that important? Because the correct identity of the great crowd was revealed to God’s anointed servants on earth in 1935. If one of the 24 elders was used to convey that important truth, he would have had to be resurrected to heaven by 1935 at the latest. That would indicate that the first resurrection began sometime between 1914 and 1935.
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Watchtowers billion$
by lastmanstanding inserena williams was baptised as a jehovah's witness last year.
photo: pa. .
john mulligan.
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KerryKing : WTB&TS of Ireland is listed as a company, not a charity. Is that significant or meaningless?
It is irrelevant.
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Ireland is both a company and a charity. It is a Company Limited by Guarantee, registered company number 105861 AND registered charity number 20011055.
The directors of the company are the same people as the trustees of the charity.
Its charitable status can be confirmed on the Irish Charities Regulator site here.
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The Watchtower Society Hedge Fund
by TJ Curioso inthe watchtower society hedge fundseveral weeks ago it came to my attention via the e-jehovahs-witnesses discussion board that the watchtower society had devised a new money raising scheme.
the scheme is to beg and borrow money from each individual congregation account, which they deem to be in excess of the congregation's actual expenses.
i half jokingly responded to the topic then that the watchtower has become a hedge fund.
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NotFormer, if the property was sold then the three new companies formed in the last two months would not have this property (Watch Tower House, Newcastle, Wicklow, AF63 RF61) as their registered address.
Further, the Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society of Ireland, which last filed accounts in April 2024, still has this as their registered address.
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The Watchtower Society Hedge Fund
by TJ Curioso inthe watchtower society hedge fundseveral weeks ago it came to my attention via the e-jehovahs-witnesses discussion board that the watchtower society had devised a new money raising scheme.
the scheme is to beg and borrow money from each individual congregation account, which they deem to be in excess of the congregation's actual expenses.
i half jokingly responded to the topic then that the watchtower has become a hedge fund.
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BoogerMan, I don't believe it's fake. I checked out the journalist's LinkedIn profile and his website and they give no reason to think he's a faker.
As you rightly point out, the Irish Bethel was put up for sale by Mason Owen Lyons in 2011, but it seems that it was never sold, as Google Maps from June 2023 shows the JW.org sign still at the gate, and it is no longer advertised by Mason Owen Lyons.
The three companies the journalist mentions - Mina Asset Management Ltd, Mina Treasury Services Ltd and Lepta Payment Solutions Ltd - all have their registered address as "Watch Tower House, Newcastle, Wicklow, AF63 RF61".
Mina Treasury Services Ltd was set up on 24th July 2024 and has the following directors - David Petrus (Bethel, Warwick, USA), Joachim Szewczyk (Bethel, Selters, Germany), Michael White (Galway, Ireland), Stephen Charles Hale Symonds (Bethel, Chelmsford, UK).
Mina Asset Management Ltd was set up on 13th August 2024 and has the following directors - Nathan Boccaccio (Kilkenny, Ireland), Nolan Vengethasamy (Bethel, Warwick, USA), Philip Lofts (UBS executive, New Canaan, USA), Stuart Bull (Bethel, Denham Court, Australia), Tobias Broweleit (Bethel, Warwick, USA), Vassilios Pappas (MD of Assenagon Asset Management, Gruenwald, Germany).
Lepta Payment Solutions Ltd was set up on 16th August 2024 and has the following directors - Francesco Tirelli (Egham, Surrey, UK) and Stuart Bull (Bethel, Denham Court, Australia).
Check out the article for the banking credentials of these directors.
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The Watchtower Society Hedge Fund
by TJ Curioso inthe watchtower society hedge fundseveral weeks ago it came to my attention via the e-jehovahs-witnesses discussion board that the watchtower society had devised a new money raising scheme.
the scheme is to beg and borrow money from each individual congregation account, which they deem to be in excess of the congregation's actual expenses.
i half jokingly responded to the topic then that the watchtower has become a hedge fund.
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The Watchtower Society Hedge Fund
by TJ Curioso inthe watchtower society hedge fundseveral weeks ago it came to my attention via the e-jehovahs-witnesses discussion board that the watchtower society had devised a new money raising scheme.
the scheme is to beg and borrow money from each individual congregation account, which they deem to be in excess of the congregation's actual expenses.
i half jokingly responded to the topic then that the watchtower has become a hedge fund.
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The World Health Organization Prostitude
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ksw9ujgm2i0?si=ruesgp-s6evmpdik.
as a second pandemic is now in the horizon mpox or monkey pox as they like to call it, it is important to scrutize the advise the governing body provided last time around with covid and how they sided 100% with the governents and their medical directives and lockdowns and how they imposed one-sided narrative in congregations around the world even threatening elders who refused to obey their direction....
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Balaamsass2, I agree with you that if you don't live in Africa mpox is not something to worry about at the moment, but it could be in the future. It is not only spread by skin to skin contact which is why it has spread so fast. The UK NHS says :
Mpox can be passed on from person to person through:
- any close physical contact with mpox blisters or scabs (including during sexual contact, kissing, cuddling or holding hands)
- touching clothing, bedding or towels used by someone with mpox
- the coughs or sneezes of a person with mpox when they're close to you
In parts of west, central and east Africa, mpox can also be caught from infected rodents (such as rats, mice and squirrels).
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How would you rate the Watchtower approved songs?
by Vanderhoven7 ini was asking why jws won't sing any church hymns even if they were doctrinally correct.
jws asked me in response if i would sing any of their songs.. dan watkins wrote .
its a hilarious misunderstanding, if it does not come from the watchtower bible and tract society, then it is effectively considered as coming from satan.
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As a matter of interest, the song From House to House composed by Harold King has the following lyrics which have been slightly amended in Song 103 (2009) / Song 83 (2016) :
From house to house, from door to door,
Jehovah's truths are spread;
From house to house, from door to door,
Jehovah's "sheep" are fed.
This "good news" of God's Kingdom royal,
As Jesus Christ foretold,
Is carried now from house to house
By Christians, young and old.
From house to house, from door to door,
Salvation now proclaim.
It comes upon all those who call
Upon Jehovah's Name.
But how can one call on a name
of one he does not know?
From house to house, from door to door,
That sacred Name must go.
From house to house, from door to door,
Christ Jesus led the way;
On mountain side and seashore wide
He taught and preached each day.
He then sent forth disciples true
To teach and preach as he.
From house to house, from door to door,
The truth spread rapidly.
From house to house, from door to door,
And not from pulpits high,
The faithful twelve spread forth the news:
"God's Kingdom now is nigh."
Wrote Paul, who worked among them all:
"I worked not secretly;
From house to house, from door to door,
I taught you publicly."
Of course, it's not at every door
We find a hearing ear;
At times there's but a scolding tongue,
And those who will not hear.
'Twas just the case in Jesus' day -
Not all would hear his word.
"My sheep will hear my voice", he said,
"So we are not deterred."
Then let us go from house to house
To spread the Kingdom news;
And, whether "sheep" or whether "goats",
We'll let the people choose.
At least we'll name Jehovah's Name;
His glorious truth declare.
From house to house, from door to door,
We'll find his "sheep" are there!