question, if this is true, in the book of enoch chapter 10:11-12, "all the sons of men shall not perish in consequence of every secret, by which the watchers have destroyed, and which they have taught, their offspring.12all the earth has been corrupted by the effects of the teaching of azazyel.
to him therefore ascribe the whole crime.
if that is god's truth, and your only accountable for your own wickedness and actions, would you feel guilty for your accusations against god?
What if your bad thoughts towards him are believing a lie against him, what if his goodness and kindness far exceed what you've known?
EOM, I think its more accurate to say that his purported goodness is more then anyone has seen. There is no evidence of that goodness. Sorry.
Btw, I am not an atheist, nor do I hate god.
first of all, lets head off some potential problems before they start.
i am not doing this thread to argue.
if you would like to, thats fine.
Thanks for sharing fuzzy paul. I am too tired to respond to this now, but I can appreciate how important your faith is, and sense your desire to be helpful.
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last night i was at a bar where they were hosting an art show.. while there i discovered that i have the amazing ability to turn totally invisible to bar tenders!
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If FS has hairy boobs, she can keep them.
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last night i was at a bar where they were hosting an art show.. while there i discovered that i have the amazing ability to turn totally invisible to bar tenders!
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True that elsewhere.... Some bartenders are idiots.
Funny thing, when I push my boobs out, I get thrown out of the bar. Wonder why.....
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last night i was at a bar where they were hosting an art show.. while there i discovered that i have the amazing ability to turn totally invisible to bar tenders!
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If you tip better, you amazingly reappear.
This should really win you points with Christians and Minnesota Viking fans......
a few weeks back, in the midst of the haiti tragedy, much discussion took place in cyberland about the tolerance [or indeed the insistence on] suffering by a loving god.
the furor over haiti has settled a bit [as unfortunately most tragedy is wont to do far too quickly in the human mind], but this persistent matter continues to chew at my subconscience.
today i came across this:.
God is not simply our disinherited ancestor, he is also a King of a vast Kingdom.
Fairy tale.
Disobeying God required death, that was the deal right?
No it didn't happen. The snake didn't talk the woman into eating a piece of fruit that the voiceover forbade. Its still a fairy tale.
God didn't disnherit mankind, he disinherited Adam....mankind was simply inside of Adam.
Ridiculous. If I kick out the Dad with his kids, I kick out the kids too. What difference would it make? If it weren't a fairy tale to begin with?
Of course the above does require reliance on the biblical account and I understand if you don't want to go there.
Thanks for that. I don't want to go there, because its a fairy tale.
leave it to gloria allred to grab the limelight.
she and her client, the ex-porn star, want tiger to apologize to her.
do you think he should?
Gloria Allerd should take her monthly shower, turn off the TV, tell her pimp that she is taking the night off, and chill. What a waste of DNA.
i am sort of digging the olympics.
plus, i used to live in a state that really should be annexed by canada anyway, michigan.
but i love hockey, autumn, maple syrup, and cold weather.
What is a "North Dakota?"
It is a Dakota that is colder then a "South Dakota"
a few weeks back, in the midst of the haiti tragedy, much discussion took place in cyberland about the tolerance [or indeed the insistence on] suffering by a loving god.
the furor over haiti has settled a bit [as unfortunately most tragedy is wont to do far too quickly in the human mind], but this persistent matter continues to chew at my subconscience.
today i came across this:.
AK Jeff, this wasn't the purpose of your original question, but since Perry has offered as an answer to the "why suffering" question that we are sinners and that is why suffering exists, and we are born sinners and thus alienated from god, that premise merits further investigation before it is accepted, as you very well know.
For Perry, being a Christian is all about accepting that we are sinful, alienated from god, and that only Jesus can save us.
Without the original sin from Genesis, there is no need for Jesus sacrifice.
If you believe that the Garden of Eden story in the first 3 chapters of Genesis really happened, well, I bet you believe that the whole Earth flooded one time because YHWH got ticked....... Oh.
See, at what point are you willing to suspend reality to believe that you are sinful and that this somehow explains suffering? It's all connected if you are a bible believer.
So what is illogical in pointing out that if you believe in sin that requires forgiveness through Jesus sacrifice, that this sin originated thanks to talking snakes in a ridiculous story that actually condemns god? Are we supposed to feel sorry for god that they ate *gulp* a fruit and that they were tempted by *huh* a snake that talks?
There is no point in hypothesizing about if its just for god or not to judge people as evil if the whole thing is based on a fairy tale.
