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  Robert Pevy has died

  by wobble in

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  robert pevy, who joined the editorial dept (formerly writing comm) some decades ago, and was chief writer of the infamous "revelation, its grand climax" book, has died.. apparently his grand opus was edited, because lloyd barry "did not like some of the explanations".

  what i wonder is, were pevy's explanations more looney than what went in to the final draft?

  love.

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  AllTimeJeff

  It's amaing to look at the people the GB trusts to write this shit.

  In any case, may he RIP.
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  New BOE letter on inactive ones

  by JWFreak in

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  again..please do not ask for a pdf scan as the only copies i have are the interbranch electronic copies from the us branch to our local branch.. .

  november 3, 2009 .

  to all bodies of elders .

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  What would the Service Committee write? Here's a sample. (some humor attempted, but the overall flow would be as follows, since I was a SEC... this is how I would have written it...)

  (on 2nd thought, a more serious answer is forthcoming.... I feel parody running through my veins....)

  Dear Butt Munchers of the Serv Dept

  Recently 2 elders who were not assigned visited an inactive couple baptized in 1974, who went inactive in 1981, reactivated in 1994, only to go inactive later after the generation teaching changed that year.

  We have counseled these 2 elders for not following our local Service Committees arrangements for shepherding. Their recommended deletions are in a separate letter in this box we shipped Fed Ex. We are happy to report that we have met our quota of disfellowshipping three 15 year olds for admitting they masturbated.

  In any case, we have a question about the on again off again couple the 2 idiot elders visited. When visited, they expressed deep doubts that this was gods organization. They specifically mentioned 1975, and all the changes in the meaning of the term "generation" since 1995, and wondered what that did to the teaching of 1914 as being significant.

  We would like to disfellowship them as well, but wondered since they haven't been in a KH for 16 years now, are we allowed?

  We are also positive that they must be sharing in some secret sin, like enjoying oral pleasure off each other. (gross!!) But we have no proof. We would like to ask (interrogate) a lot of questions, in order that Jehovah's clean organization can be freed of the filth that is their stenchy old publisher record cards that are always in the back of the file, making our statistics look bad for every CO's visit.

  Please be assured that even if Jehovah were to change his name to Drago, we would always follow the Governing Body to the ends of the earth, or failing that, rural New York State.

  Your brothers

  The Service Committee That Kisses Butt Best
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  To All Our Canadian Friends

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  when you are done watching the opening ceremonies, come in and say hi.. hey outlaw, they are doing the prarie tribute as i write this.

  hope you like joni mitchell.... ;).

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  AllTimeJeff

  Outlaw, tonight, its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. I am actually in a Labatt mood...

  Shamus, you want a diaper? Thats an interesting fetish..... I will leave you to your own devices their....
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  It makes better sense to worship RA

  by AK - Jeff in

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  the sun provides clear benefits:.

  photosynthesisweatherwater cyclewarmthin short - without the sun our planet would be a totally desolate, lifeless globe.

  in fact, without the sun to orbit about, the planet would not be situated where it is in the universe at all.

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  Having been under 2 1/2 feet of snow for over a week now, I can happily support this, until June.... ;)
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  New BOE letter on inactive ones

  by JWFreak in

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  again..please do not ask for a pdf scan as the only copies i have are the interbranch electronic copies from the us branch to our local branch.. .

  november 3, 2009 .

  to all bodies of elders .

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  Whats interesting to me is the attempt to get those whom the GB feel have sinned, are staying away because they would rather not deal with a JC full of elders.

  Then it says that the local elders will know best how to deal with the situation, and if there are questions, to write a letter to the Service Dept.

  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

  I don't see anything new here per se. Maybe some legalistic phraseology is different. This letter doesn't offer an olive branch as far as I am concerned. It seems to assume a GB view that those who have left have left because they know they are sinners.

  What they don't get is that many who leave don't want to come back and could care less. If there is one thing they seem to understand, is that "faders" esp don't want to sit in front of 3 elders, confess their sins, and hope that "holy spirit" operates in the cavity in their heads that should contain their brain.

  Looks to me like the GB is groping in the dark once again.
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  God and Suffering

  by AK - Jeff in

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  a few weeks back, in the midst of the haiti tragedy, much discussion took place in cyberland about the tolerance [or indeed the insistence on] suffering by a loving god.

  the furor over haiti has settled a bit [as unfortunately most tragedy is wont to do far too quickly in the human mind], but this persistent matter continues to chew at my subconscience.

  today i came across this:.

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  AllTimeJeff

  I just want to interrupt the re-education of Perry to express my appreciation for JaguarBass post on this thread. Well done. I am not where you are at, and I don't know if I will ever reach your conclusions, but I though you cogently expressed a longing we all have that no one here, theist or atheist, would be wise to ignore.
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  In Life or in Death, Your Legacy is Love

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  what would happen to those who know and love you if you died?.

  would their grief be so immense that they couldn't go on?

  would they want you back so much that they simply stopped living?.

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  What would happen to those who know and love you if you died?

  Would their grief be so immense that they couldn't go on? Would they want you back so much that they simply stopped living?

  Now, what would you want for them?

  To remember all the good times? The bad times? Would you want friends and family who ticked you off to suffer? Would you want those who loved you the most never to love anyone else and stop their lives because you weren't around?

  I realize that at first, these are very morbid thoughts. Having had to face death more then once, esp recently, I have had the opportunity to revisit these questions, and to apply, ironically enough, the golden rule.

  Do unto others....

  I am afraid, that in spite of my best, egotistical efforts, I am not immortal. Good thing, there are probably better candidates. I will die at some point, and so will anyone reading this.

  That isn't a sad thing, or, to put it better, it doesn't have to be.

  I write this because there really isn't a manual on how to handle the death of those we love, or to view the suffering of survivors of those who have passed. We all struggle to find a meaning, a search for purpose when death visits.

  I find it fascinating personally to read of those who use the death of a loved one as the impetus that turned their life around. I find it equally fascinating and sad (tragic really) to read of those who couldn't go on.

  So this week, I asked myself a question: What would I want everyone who ever cared for me to do in case I passed away. To never be happy again? To be pissed? Mad? Happy?

  Would I want my life (or even death) to make a difference for them for good? Absolutely.

  And then, my thoughts turn to those who suffer through horrific natural disasters, like the Indonesian tsunami, the Haitian earthquake, etc. For sure, the survivors need care and comfort. But would those who unexpectedly passed want the world to stop for them?

  Or would they rather that those who survived lived, really lived, and moved on happy, and better off for knowing me?

  Thats the whole point. This is an opinion piece of course, but I wouldn't want people to be so swallowed up in grief that they couldn't go on. I would want my life and death to be something that those who knew me could benefit from, it at all possible.

  (no, I am not talking about life insurance)

  You will notice there is no mention of god, or a higher power in this, because I choose to focus only on what I can control. Should god really exist, he is free to do the same. My point is really rather simple, to know that we are mortal means that we help nurture future life, even for those times when we will inevitably not be around.

  It helps to deal with suffering and natural disasters better. It helps us to focus on what we can do while we are alive. It helps us to appreciate and value life, existence, and the people around us. It moves us to examine how we can help people now, practically, and to do the most important thing a human can do to another.

  Love. Love and forgive. And never fail to let those around you know how you feel. Oh, don't just say it, do something, anything, that will show it.
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  Understanding the Witness trained mind! Theocratic schooled =always defending without thinking!

  by Witness 007 in

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  theocratic mid-week meeting was just a session of "defence tactics" training witnesses to automatically think of a defensive answer without even pondering the other persons point of view.

  witnesses send everything you throw at them in the "trash basket" of their brain...only thinking of thier next defensive response.

  this is typical cult thinking.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Good thought.

  I just want to isolate one item, because I really feel it is frequently overlooked.

  "without thinking"

  Obviously, if we abdicate our responsibility to do our own thinking, we are responsible for that. But so often, I read of former JW's who don't seem to understand why their family shuns them. Why JW's are so happy to accept this decades version of what the generation of MT 24 is? How JW's can't see the contradiction between their door to door apostate making work, while never listening to opposers of JW's who are themselves deemed apostates?

  I am not using that as an excuse. However, it is good to keep in mind that most JW's are NOT evil. They are in a cult.

  If those who don't want to acknowledge that JW's are a cult, I give you this simple piece of logic, introduced here in this thead. JW's to one degree or another, are indctrinated to act and behave automatically. They are trained to react, never to think or reason.

  Thats cold comfort I realize when you are the victim of the cult and the people, but, truth is truth. Understanding why JW's act (generally) from the correct perspective can help in many ways.
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  Who is the Man of Lawlessness

  by wannabe in

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  did not jesus serve warning, that prior to his coming there would be some, teaching so close to the truth that they would, if it were possible, mislead even the chosen ones?.

  24 "for there shall arise false christs, and false prophets, and shall give great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

  " {matthew 24:24 dt}.

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  Wannabe (as in Wannabe prophet)

  Hi there. Whenever someone would like to do an exegestical smackdown of JW dogma, count me in as an interested observer. The fact that you on a few threads write very indepth essays just to prove that JW's are not correct is cool with me.

  It's not like its that hard, lets be honest.

  For example, some people who aren't caught in a superstitious mindset would probably read the man of lawlessness passage and think literally, "Hey, I wonder if that means a lawless man!"

  But I digress. Paul (supposedly) wrote this close to 2000 years ago if you believe that. To date, no man of lawlessness has appeared matching the description. Which leaves that scripture open to interpretation. Your interpretation is no different then JW's. Would you like to know how? Because as your responses bear out, you condemn people with the same ease that the Governing Body does.

  So ultimately, your conclusion for whatever exegesis you delve into is that Jesus will destroy people who don't believe in him? Ok. Count me out.

  I am used to having people think I am dead. JW's, many fundamentalist Christian religions, Islam, etc, all have me as dead because I don't worship their god.

  So get in line Wannabe. Maybe you condemners can make some small talk and figure out your next strategy to scare the weak minded with a 2000+ year old collection of scrolls into following your god.

  Your desire to expose the GB as false is commendable. The fact that you would replace their dogma with a competing dogma designed to frighten, scare and condemn just like Jehovah's Witnesses do makes you no better then Jehovah's Witnesses in my opinion, and waters down whatever value your exegesis might have.
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  To All Our Canadian Friends

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  when you are done watching the opening ceremonies, come in and say hi.. hey outlaw, they are doing the prarie tribute as i write this.

  hope you like joni mitchell.... ;).

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  AllTimeJeff

  By old flame, do you mean a refinery? (seriously, I don't know... oh! duh, the old Calgary Olympic flames... double duh! I think I am getting tired, because I am introducing too many parenthetical thoughts in my post. Next I will start "quoting" again...)

  ("!")