how long do you think it will take before the wts is exposed for what it really is?.
i sort of thought the whole 1914 thing would blow the lid off this thing.
it's obvious they wormed their way out of another one.. do you think there will ever be a grand climax and jws will just start leaving in record numbers?
You know, the JW religion I grew up with was not the same my parents saw or experienced, nor my grandparents. And the next generation will be different still.
Notice a trend? They adapt, pretty seriously adapt, as part of their MO. So I think they will always be around, till the $$ runs out...
newbie, born-in, 30+ yrs, still trying to decide what i believe since all my options are now open...i can say i no longer feel the need to follow men.... i've lurked here for quite a while and enjoyed the ramblings of many, so since i'm now a member here are some of my ramblings.. it makes me sad that so many people will continue to do something just because they feel they have too much time and/or energy invested to stop and make a course correction, even if they see it's leading nowhere or to an undesirable end.
it also saddens me how some people are so preprogrammed to follow what others say that they feel extremely uncomfortable changing their views, deep seated or not, even when presented with uncontrovertable evidence that their views are at best unproven, and at worst simply not possible or even plausible.. but i also realize, that just like in the sci-fi fantasy world of the matrix, some sheeple just are not mentally prepared to leave their fantasy world.
it works for them, and who am i to tell them how they should live.
Welcome, sounds like you are on the right track. There is a lot to learn about ourselves and accept about others once we leave the cult. Good luck to you!
i've been here one year!!.
april 4, 2009. i re-read my first post.
wow!
Hey there! Congrats! :)
I still only post here to try to be the all time post leader, but Minimus keeps starting these threads... Damn red dot! (but I digress....)
You have really picked up the ball in life, and that is the thing that deserves the greatest congratulations. You have done what the WTBTS bet against you doing, assuming responsibility for both your own life and happiness. That is the coolest thing of all.
as i mentioned in a previous topic, the use of quantity, numbering, dates, measurements and such in the bible is impossibly wonky for several reaasons.. 1. in hebrew, greek and latin there were no separate number symbols exclusively used for math purposes.
instead, letters of their alphabet did double-duty.
2. superstitious ideas about the "meaning" of numbers was rampant and gematria (looking for hidden mysterious in the inherent "number of "words") preoccupied scriptural writing and studies.. 3. calendar changes throughout history (such as the switch from the julian calendar to the gregorian) were haphazardly begun by different countries at different times.
Damn it!
(I'm in a mood....)
Dough, perhaps you don't realize the good that this board does, or the contributions that Terry has made. His arguments are logical, dispassionate, fully explained, and he comes back to answer questions.
.....while you shamelessly plug your pro Christian website and insist that Terry isn't as smart as you?
Smart is as smart ass as smart does.
Terry, not my point to defend you per se. I for one always admire your posts, and while I am in favor of higher education, having had to deal with many college graduates, I can tell you that the possession of a degree in no way indicates real intelligence.
Keep up the good work Terry. :)
i thought about that question myself and i don't think i really hate anyone.
i guess i could hate bin laden or some nameless evil terrorist but no one comes to mind..
I don't hate people.... except....
Alex Ovechkin
Danny Carcillo
Scott Hartnell.
Thats my hockey list. It isn't football season yet.
did anyone notice?.
It did in Africa. Trust me.
was dr. kevorkian a murderer or a man of mercy?.
just curios about your thoughts on the subject.. i guess i've been thinking of this lately because of a lot of the brothers and sisters in my area.
seem to be getting far up in years and it's hard to watch them go through all the pain they're .
First of all, the right of a patient in pain from a diagnosed terminal illness when all options have been reasonably exhausted should include a humane way to end their suffering.
It is a personal choice. Watching my mom in pain and fight like hell to live is excrutiating. I have seen similar situations where such people openly asked if they could just end it all. We all have heard the news stories.
Kevorkian, regardless of whether he was the right man or not to lead the charge on the issue, is alright in my book. He wasn't ever looking for people to kill. He was usually approached by terminally ill, suffering people who wanted to end their suffering. They didn't want to suck on a tail pipe of a running car in their garage or shoot themselves in the head. They wanted some dignity to their death. But doctors are not "permitted" to assist in these endeavors.
For those in pain, a medical way to end their suffering should be there as an option. They are sort of halfway there with hospice care. After a certain point, hospice patients are so drugged up to feel no pain that they aren't in their totally right mind either. It isn't a huge leap to the next logical step for certain terminally ill people.
i'm trying to compare some statistics and figures on this to share later in the thread to see if more long-time witnesses are exiting- or are newer witnesses exiting after a shorter period of time.
and - are more people exiting in the last 10 to 15 years than before.
so your answers would be helpful in looking into this .
Baptized in 1988 as a 13 year old. Last meeting was 2006.
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I'm sorry, but my bullsh*t meter has redlined since Thursday. Please don't step in any brown patties as you read further.........
i have come to realize that this religion is based almost solely on performance and that is the most dangerous.. i always felt that as a person or jw (while an active witness)that i was always just as good as my last assignment, comment at the watchtower meeting, feild service report.. this left me with a huge identity crisis in the borgorg......... i really didn't know who the hell i was?.
did any of you feel similair?
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A person can be wonderful, "Christlike", humble, loving, a genuinely good person, but be below 10 hours, and you are not "exemplary",
A person can be a borderline prick, or even a full blown prick, and if they are consistent with 10 hours or more, or worse yet, actually pioneering, then the sky is the limit for them.
Why do they almost only interview "full time" servants instead of "Christlike" servants at the Assemblies? There it is in a nutshell, its about your time, not your attitude.
Is it dangerous? Yup, esp for those who prefer to be a good person instead of a good producer.
