Posts by AllTimeJeff

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Seven Thousand Year Creative Day still being taught (as of 2005)

by VM44 in

here is a photo of a gilead instructor (br.

liverance) teaching a class on chronology.. the photo appears in a blog entry dated 5-21-2005.. note the "6,000" and "1,000" periods in the timeline drawn on the whiteboard.. i thought the 7,000 year creative day was no longer taught, but apparently it still is at gilead, at least in the year 2005.. (picture cannot be embedded here for some reason, so here is the link to it).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ydnht0xya-4/sbukuolyzei/aaaaaaaaacs/t-rgxaammbg/s1600-h/chronology+%28br.+liverance%29.jpg.

AllTimeJeff

During that lecture, Liverance said that the period between '75 and the start of the Great Trib would be the time between the Creation of Adam and Eve. Oh, that's what they missed in '75. Riiiight.

Keeping in mind that this was the first real lecture we got after two weeks of touring Bethel, I was left feeling pretty cold. Being born in 1974 myself, I didn't really care at that time about 1975. This was the first time that I really understood why so many people in 75 were pissed. I understood and agreed with them. It was the start of a lot of bullsh*t proposed as fact.

And I now know I am officially "out out" as a JW. They changed this and I had no idea. I feel like a veteren apostate! lol

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

AllTimeJeff

So Maze, you still want to be a JW, right?

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Seven Thousand Year Creative Day still being taught (as of 2005)

by VM44 in

here is a photo of a gilead instructor (br.

liverance) teaching a class on chronology.. the photo appears in a blog entry dated 5-21-2005.. note the "6,000" and "1,000" periods in the timeline drawn on the whiteboard.. i thought the 7,000 year creative day was no longer taught, but apparently it still is at gilead, at least in the year 2005.. (picture cannot be embedded here for some reason, so here is the link to it).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ydnht0xya-4/sbukuolyzei/aaaaaaaaacs/t-rgxaammbg/s1600-h/chronology+%28br.+liverance%29.jpg.

AllTimeJeff

Hey VM44

Yes, Liverance and Bowen are no longer instructors. I think they got kicked off the island.

I am not sure what if anything is being taught about the 7000 years.

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Let the Dread of Jehovah Be Upon You.."Encouragement" for new Missionaries

by LostGeneration in

in the new wt, the latest gilead class is featured.

how would you like this kind of "encouragement"?.

anthony morris of the governing body.

AllTimeJeff

They still like em young due to health costs. Older missionaries cost more.

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Let the Dread of Jehovah Be Upon You.."Encouragement" for new Missionaries

by LostGeneration in

in the new wt, the latest gilead class is featured.

how would you like this kind of "encouragement"?.

anthony morris of the governing body.

AllTimeJeff

That reminded me of the "dread encouragement." Isn't this one of the reasons AllTimeJeff realized this religion was full of crap? He went to a foreign country and dang near died and the Watchtower didn't give a rat's tail about him. He would have died, and they would have chalked it off like, "oh well. These things happen."

Well, that didn't help.

The whole purpose of Gilead is to get you to think that Jehovah picked the Governing Body and the 4 Presidents of the WTBTS. If you believe that, then yeah, there is dread upon you.

Think about it. The average missionary makes it just 2 years. 56 people a class. 112 missionaries a year. It's a numbers game. The more they can scare up, the better off they will be.

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What if you admitted you don't mind being destroyed @ Armaggedon?

by Knowsnothing in

isn't that pretty much the end of a conversation with a jw?.

honestly, now that i think about it, what is the difference between judgment day(armaggedon) and death?.

just curious to see how my friends and relatives would react if i responded that way... .

AllTimeJeff

If god wants to destroy me, all that means is that he is more powerful. It also means I am more loving then she is. Whatever...

This whole concept pre-supposes that god WILL destroy YOU.

What if, just what if... (hold on here...)

....what if god isn't going to destroy you or anyone?

That's a cool thought isn't it? I bet it's even true. :)

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Can the Bible be proved wrong?

by The Quiet One in

AllTimeJeff

So many people who want to believe in god feel that they must do so,

1. With a group

2. Aided by a really old book translated thousands of years ago from its close to extinct language.

3. or else god will "get em!"

I don't need a group, a book, and am not in fear of my life.

It's an interesting thing that happens to your spirituality when you let go of fear and pre-instilled ideas you have accepted but never tested. Good luck!

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So What's the Point?

by AllTimeJeff in

jw
friends

i am back after several months to tell you all that i am cured!

that's right, i am no longer an ex jw.

i can go around and pretend that i was never knocking on doors.

AllTimeJeff

I'm here because I need people who understand me. Nice to see you poopsie!

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

AllTimeJeff

Hey Outlaw! Hope the beer's been treating you good! :)

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

AllTimeJeff

*sigh* I will indulge the poor persecuted Maze since I haven't been here in a while.

Maze, I have one question. Do you still want to be a JW?

Just answer yes or no. I am not trying to bait you.