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  607 BCE - Jehovah's Witnesses come out and Defend your Beliefs.

  by KW13 in

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  when was the end of the 70 years?

  the bible clearly states that the end of the 70 years would be when the king of babylon (namely nebuchadnezzar) was called to account.

  what date was this?

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  deaconbluez

  I think I may have found the one you were talking about.

  I thought you meant in the "store" part of the website, and not where they have the historical stuff listed.
  
  So I found this, catalog number 219496 in the British Museum:
  
  
  
  The British Museum says that the cylinder tells us: "In 605 Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian crown prince, replaced his father Nabopolassar." as well as "Nebuchadnezzar's army besieged Jerusalem and captured it on 15/16th March 597 BC. The new king of Judah, Jehoiachin, was captured and carried off to Babylon."
  
  The Insight book, Volume 2, page 480, under the heading "Conquest of Jerusalem", says this: " Jehoiachin surrendered to Nebuchadnezzar (in the month of Adar [February-March] during Nebuchadnezzar’s seventh regnal year [ending in Nisan 617 B.C.E.], according to the Babylonian Chronicles). A cuneiform inscription (British Museum 21946) states: "The seventh year: In the month Kislev the king of Akkad mustered his army and marched to Hattu. He encamped against the city of Judah and on the second day of the month Adar he captured the city (and) seized (its) king [Jehoiachin]. A king of his own choice [Zedekiah] he appointed in the city (and) taking the vast tribute he brought it into Babylon." (bold mine)So do you see what they did there? They deceptively use the tablet, give credit to the British Museum as the source, and then MISQUOTE it regarding Nebuchadnezzar's reign. The British Museum's scholars as well as:
  
  T.C. Mitchell, The Bible in the British Museu (London, The British Museum Press, 1988) A.K. Grayson, Babylonian and Assyrian chroni (Locust Valley, J.J. Augustin, 1975) D.J. Wiseman, Chronicles of Chaldaean kings (London, Trustees of the British Museum, 1956) J.B. Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern texts rel, 3rd ed. (Princeton University Press, 1969)

  and many, many others all attest that Nebuchadnezzar's reign began in 605BCE. But in order to make history and the Bible, which confirm each other nicely, fit their theology (LOL), the Watchtower has to use deception to make their members think that Nebuchadnezzar was king in plenty of time to have made a conquest of Jerusalem in 607BCE, therefore marking the beginning of the 2,520 years at a point that will arrive at their 1914 date. Thanks for point this out, KW. This is even more devastation to the theological scandal that the 1914 date has turned out to be.
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  607 BCE - Jehovah's Witnesses come out and Defend your Beliefs.

  by KW13 in

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  when was the end of the 70 years?

  the bible clearly states that the end of the 70 years would be when the king of babylon (namely nebuchadnezzar) was called to account.

  what date was this?

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  deaconbluez

  KW, just a couple of questions:
  
  Is this the picture on the British Museum's website that you're referring to?
  
  
  And also, where at in the Insight book is the picture with the conflicting description?
  
  Thanks.
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  1926 - Last Christmas at Bethel (Fred Franz mp3 talk)

  by AlphaOmega in

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  1926 - the end of christmas at bethel.

  this photo was the last ever christmas celebration at bethel.. here is a talk given by fred franz that explains how it came to an end:.

  http://uploadline.com/files/3819855/christmas_franz.mp3.html.

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  deaconbluez

  The picture with numbers and names is wrong.
  
  Milton Henschel was born in 1920, making him 6 years old at the time of the picture. So that is obviously not him in the picture. I also seriously doubt that Franz and Knorr are in that picture where the numbers indicate, if they were even in the picture at all. The one guy kinda looks like how Franz might have looked, but Franz would have been in his 30's, and the guy looks older than that.
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  Time to simplify

  by RollerDave in

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  funny how life can be.. you chase your dreams, mean well, do your best to live large, and twist life bu the nipples; but there's only so many hours in a day, only so many days in a week, and only 365.25 days in a year.. i realize i'm swamped.

  i find myself rolling around like a big fat chicken on wheels that has been separated from his head quite suddenly.. i think i have become the victim of my own success.. the more you have, the more maintenance and upkeep you have to procrastinate.. i'm only a man, i can only avoid so much work!.

  barely got the boat winterized before the cold, evil fingers of minnesnowta's dominant season could work their frigid havoc, boy, i am starting to wonder if i am really 'boat people.

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  deaconbluez

  Keeping it simple is the ONLY way to truly be happy in this wicked world. Colossians 4:5 is one of my favorite verses. It says, "Walk in wisdom toward those on the outside, always spending your time wisely." To me, that verse says that if we don't fill our schedule up with wholesome things, then other things WILL fill it up. Being debt-free is one of the key things to living simply I think. And just being content with what you have. Not having to have the latest car, latest computer, latest technology.
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  Most Witnesses Don't Know the "Current Truth" on Matthew 5:5!

  by deaconbluez in

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  matthew 5:5: "happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.".

  if you ask most witnesses what this verse means, they will say that it means those who are meek/mild/humble will be given the earth as a reward to live forever on.

  i was surprised to find out that this is not the official watchtower teaching of that verse.

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  deaconbluez

  oompa, I'm not able to find any connection in their literature of Matthew 5:5 with the "great crowd" inheriting the earth. Only Psalm 37:11 is used. So I really do think that this is their official teaching on that verse, but its just rarely explored.
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  Clergy-Penitent Privilege: Boundaries?

  by feenx in

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  hey all :)

  is anyone versed in the ins and outs of clery-penitent privilege?

  if there are any boundaries, and if so what they are?

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  deaconbluez

  This wouldn't apply to Jehovah's Witnesses, because they have no clergy and hence are totally unlike Christendom’s rulers who get special reverence and lord it over their brothers.
  
  That is...until when they are asked why they don’t report criminal charges to the police. Then they claim it is because it's a perversion of the clergy/laity relationship.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Are An Illogical People & They Should Be Embarrassed!

  by minimus in

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  question a witness in a very logical manner about their view of blood transfusions and blood fractions and see what you'll get.. ask a witness where in the bible it states that you can't talk to a disfellowshipped family member unless he or she lived in your home.. ask a witness why they need 2 witnesses to establish that a child has been molested but they don't need 2 witnesses to establish that a spouse has been unfaithful and that the accuser may now be free to "scripturally" remarry.. have a jehovah's witness prove to you that filling out a service report is necessary for a christian to have god's approval.. can you think of other proofs that the witness religion is totally illogical??

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  deaconbluez

  DEACON, if I were you, I'd simply take the credit for it.

  It was somebody that posts regularly on this board. I wish I remember who it was.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Are An Illogical People & They Should Be Embarrassed!

  by minimus in

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  question a witness in a very logical manner about their view of blood transfusions and blood fractions and see what you'll get.. ask a witness where in the bible it states that you can't talk to a disfellowshipped family member unless he or she lived in your home.. ask a witness why they need 2 witnesses to establish that a child has been molested but they don't need 2 witnesses to establish that a spouse has been unfaithful and that the accuser may now be free to "scripturally" remarry.. have a jehovah's witness prove to you that filling out a service report is necessary for a christian to have god's approval.. can you think of other proofs that the witness religion is totally illogical??

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  deaconbluez

  Too many to list...but this was posted the other day:
  
  When individuals leave the WT organization for conscience reasons, it is evidence that God is shepherding and protecting the flock by doing a sifting work.
  When people leave another Christian religion it is evidence that the religion is morally corrupt and unable or unwilling to provide spiritually for their members.
  
  When a Christian from another denomination lies, he is acting according to his own disposition being from the father of the lie.
  When a Jehovah’s Witness lies, he is proving his loyalty to Jehovah and fulfilling his sacred obligation to engage in spiritual warfare.
  
  During times of rapid growth the organization claims Gods approval for the harvest.
  During times of little or negative growth, the organization prints that this is evidence that the end is near because it appears that the harvest work is almost over.
  
  When a Jehovah’s Witness is martyred, it is seen as following Christ’s example and fulfillment of Scripture.
  When a Christian of another faith is martyred it is seen as a misguided, albeit admirable exercise in a form of faith but proving false to its source.
  
  When the organization prophesies falsely it is due to man's imperfection and an eagerness to see the new system.
  When another faith prophesies falsely it is proof that they are a false prophet in fulfillment of Christ’s words about the presence of many false prophets during the last days.

  When other Christian faiths experience growth it is because the Devil is misleading the entire inhabited earth.
  When Jehovah’s Witnesses experience growth it is undeniable evidence that Jesus is actively leading the organization.

  When other religions are exposed as fraudulent and a menace to society and they lose certain privileges or status within a particular context, it is because God uses the governments as his executioner of justice.
  When the Jehovah’s Witnesses are exposed as fraudulent and a menace to society and they lose certain privileges or status within a particular context, it is because Satan owns all the governments; else how could he have offered all of them to Jesus as a temptation?

  When the Catholic Church engages in protecting pedophile priests by hushing up the matter it is evidence that they are a filthy Harlot.
  When Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t notify police of charges of child molestation it is because of their willingness to allow Jehovah to handle the matter in His due time; thereby making it a display of.

  Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to have no clergy and hence are totally unlike Christendom’s rulers who get special reverence and lord it over their brothers.
  When asked why they don’t report criminal charges to the police they claim it is because it's a perversion of the clergy/laity relationship.
  
  When one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is unrepentant he is disfellowshipped., branded unfit for association.
  When the organization is unrepentant of its sins and people find it unfit for association and contentiously leave, it is because they are full of pride and refuse to wait on Jehovah.
  
  When a Christian of another faith celebrates Mothers Day they are following ancient pagan practices and giving undue attention to someone.
  When Sisters wear a wedding ring which clearly has pagan origins and draws attention to her status, it is evidence of the divinely inspired institution of marriage.
  
  When a Jehovah’s Witness defrauds another Witness, it may be brought before the elders for possible social sanction if guilty.
  When a Christian of another faith defrauds a Witness he is often times encouraged to sue the pants off him and squeeze him for every dime.
  
  When other Churches support the UN it is evidence that the harlot is fornicating with the Wild Beast.
  When the organization officially agreed to support UN objectives it was because they needed "access to their library".
  
  When a different faith-believing relative shuns their Jehovah's Witness family member, it is fulfillment of Christ’s prophecy concerning the breaking up of families when someone starts to believe in Christ.
  When a Jehovah’s Witness shuns his different believing relatives, whether they believe in Christ or not, it is seen as an action necessary to keep oneself without spot from the world.
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  Do Witnesses Care About Chronology Anymore?

  by minimus in

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  let's say christ threw the devil out in 1914, so what?

  does 1914 have any real signifance to a jehovah's witness anymore?

  all i can see is that "this proves we're living in the last days of the last days".

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  deaconbluez

  Where have you been? 1914 to them is the "end of the gentile times", the beginning of the last days, and the date that God's Kingdom was set up in heaven. Lot of significance associated with that date.
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  Tell Us About Your JW Father If You Had One.

  by new boy in

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  we are great friends now....but he wasn't much of a father growing up.. worked all the time...we went on few vacations....pretty much pussy whipped my my nazis jw mother.. he never did believe in the whole jw thing.

  he just when along with it, for my mothers sake.. she never did respect him for not being a "spiritual head" and pretty much let us kids know about it.. i, like my mother became very self rightious and judgmental.. i wished now he had just came to me just once and said "keith maybe the jws are not the people you think they are.

  " but he was to afraid of my mother to say that...even though he knew it to be true.i would have never believed him....back then....but it would have planted a seed.... .

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  deaconbluez

  In my honest opinion, my dad is exactly how I imagine Jesus Christ to be as a man when he was on the earth. Completely humble, loving, caring, and would do anything for you if you were in need. He's been an elder since before I was born, and still is today. He's the type elder that people go to when they have a problem and want to get loving advice and not judgement. Unfortunately, because of his humility, he is a puppet. Deep down he knows that the organization is a fraud, but he won't admit it, and he focuses on the good-hearted people in the local congregation that he has known all his life, and justifies staying in the organization because of the genuineness of these people.
  
  As a father growing up, he was a workaholic, but I understand why he was that way. He grew up in the generation that put off going to school and getting an education because 1975 was sure to be the end. By the time 1975 came and went, he had already passed up the chance to get a real education, so he went to work in the grocery business. I was brought up with the mentality that life was 95% work and 5% play. When he did have something to do with me, it was through "family study" using whatever Watchtower publication, giving me spankings or scolding me about destroying bicycles, misbehaving in school, or whatever it was that I was getting in trouble for then. I never got into anything major as far as wrongdoing when I was growing up. But my parents watched my every move and rarely ever had anything positive or supportive to say to me. When I was 17, I was offered a radio job out of town, and they actually made me feel guilty for wanting to consider it, even though it was unheard of for someone my age to get that kind of opportunity. When I eventually moved out at 18, they acted like there was a death in the family. It was looked upon as a dark and sinister move on my part, even though I would become a Ministerial Servant just a few months later.
  
  Looking back, I wouldn't change a thing about the way I was raised. Even though I am cold and unaffectionate, I am a realist and have learned to not depend on anyone but myself in life. Without my parent's stand-off-ish-ness when it came to love, hugs, commendation, I would have probably developed the tendancy to attach myself to people, and that only leads to getting hurt in my opinion.