Posts by Paralipomenon

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EVIL AND SIN

by Bible_Student777 in

i am a student of the bible, though not a follower of charles taze russell.

it does not deny that some sins are much more than a mere mistake.

compare the words in ezekiel with those of john.

It looks like you took alot of effort to put that together. But being perfectly honest, there is way too much information there in the form of facts.

I kinda glazed over and then decided to skip to the end. Then I couldn't find the end.

Long posts that aren't well written stories are going to find it very difficult to get people to read them.

Just my two cents.

18

The Truth!!

by frostyselectronics in

john 17:17 sanctify them by your truth.

your word is truth.

when you are ready for the truth that saves.

Paralipomenon

He does have nice catch line.

We could use a good catch line.

27

Will there be death in paradise?

by Bob Loblaw in

so, from what i remember,...after armageddon, those righteous jw's who make it through will have to clean up the utter devestation.

imagine 9/11 on a world-wide scale.

they also (from what i remember) will not be miraculously perfect right away.

Paralipomenon

This is the view as was described to me:

After armagedon our bodies will become perfect. Not physically perfect but our minds will be unlocked and our immune systems crank into full gear.

Any imperfections of the flesh will be instantly corrected in our sleep (missing leg, arm, blindness etc.)

Once we are physically perfect we will start to gradually grow younger. This will be so other will recognize us and become accustomed to the gradual change.

The bible says that sickness and death would be no more so with perfect immune systems we would not be prone to disease or infection.

As for the accidents, how would these even be possible?

A falling rock could be detected by perfect hearing and nimbly jump to the side. Perfect balance would mean you would never fall. In an extreme case of something that our perfect bodies couldn't adapt to no doubt an angel could intervene and save us before death could occur.

I have absolutely no basis for these answers but that's what was described to me when I asked.

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IS IT WRONG TO SAY SOMEONE ACTS WHITE?

by nvrgnbk in

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is it wrong to say someone acts white?

Paralipomenon

I find whites are extremely difficult to make fun of racially.

What's the worst expressions? Cracker? Whitey? Paleskin?

Can't jump or dance? Sure, why not?

Anyone actually get called an expression that they found offensive?

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Knocking forum is now open on PBS website

by Jourles in

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here we go folks.

a newly opened forum for knocking is now open on pbs's website.

let's not let the jw's overrun this with crap.

Paralipomenon

The mod's later comments were:

"Thanks for your question and participation. Since conversations began just recently on this forum, I have contemplated offering my thoughts as an observer, but at the same time am aware that I represent PBS and Independent Lens.

The viewing of KNOCKING has been my first real exposure to Jehovah's Witnesses, and honestly I would not have expected to see the discussions that are being presented on this forum.

I struggle with maintaining an outlet here for free speech and with the disappointment of seeing so much anger present. It is of course fair for someone to say that since I have had no previous exposure to Jehovah's Witnesses I cannot understand what some think are negative aspects of their practices and beliefs. However, in response to your question about what is the reaction of a neutral party, I am surprised and overwhelmed by the converations that I'm seeing here.

I will leave it at that for now, but will be back with more info on the future of the forum. "

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Honestly, some ex-witnesses will challenge any opinion that isn't blazingly critical of the Witnesses. Having no exposure to witnesses she posted the facts as they were presented in the Knocking video. She had no reason to dispute them. I don't think it's really fair to attack her actions as biased.

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Is It "Wrong" To Say That Someone "Sounds" Black??

by minimus in

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i saw boston legal this past tuesday and denny crane said he was impressed by the "articulate" man who didn't "sound" black.

this caused an uproar!!!

in a re-run on curb your enthusiasm, larry david makes a comment that's insulting to a black person and has to immediately apologize for being politically incorrect.. your opinion on this question, please..

Paralipomenon

I think people are just overly sensitive.

If you deny that many black people share a particular dialect then you are just in denial.

How else would you describe a dialect found primarily in black North Americans?

I see alot of people here insinuating that sounding "black" is sounding uneducated. Now THAT is racist. There is no racism in identifying a dialect, if there is I'd like to know what is the politically correct term for a dialect found primarily in blacks.

A derogatory observation I would hazard to say would be to claim someone sounds "ghetto". People really need to think about the context of expressions before jumping on the racism bandwagon.

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Help me describe the idealized JW fantasyland

by sir82 in

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based on the illustrations in the books & magazines, and the videos produced by the society, describe the world that the gb would like jws to live in.. for example.... -- parties never have more than 15 persons attending.

entertainment consists of one chap playing a guitar while the rest sing kingdom melodies, followed by stimulating conversations of "field service experiences" and "how i came into the truth".

-- children of all ages are perfectly well-behaved for the full 2 hours of a congregation meeting.

Paralipomenon

-Girls in school are desperate to throw themselves at witness boys. Apparently bible thumping virgins are really hot.
-Witnesses have their own light source. While wicked doers usually are cloaked in shadows witnesses have a mobile sun that floats above them at all times.
-Kingdom halls don't have babies. Unless it is after the meeting, then you're allow to bring the babies out if the article is about training from youth

25

who really rules the world now?

by michiyo84 in

for now the rules of dis world is satan.

but for 1 day satan will b destroyed.

Paralipomenon

OMG 4 reel?

Sat4n iz so haxxorz he wuz lik "I'm so tough" but god wuz lik "nuh uh" then kicked him out.

god wuz all "lolz" and sat4n wuz lik "WTF" da angelz were all like "pwned"

But now hes ruler and datz bad.

welcom to da forum dood, post mor stuff plz.

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What do we really know about Jehovah?

by PopeOfEruke in

i started making a list of what we really know about jehovah from the bible.

see if you can add to the list.. 1. likes to take afternoon walks, especially when it's breezy.. 2. likes the smell of roasting animals.. 3. likes dancing and singing but doesn't necessarily dance and sing himself.. 4. can write a little bit, though only with one finger.

usually gets humans to write for him instead.. 5. seems to like cheap magic tricks, like talking donkeys and magic burning bushes.. 6. always resorts to violence to solve problems instead of dialogue or diplomacy.. 7. he can reproduce asexually.. 8. he likes to be called father and he has sons, but his "wife" is a group of sexless spirits, who are also his sons.. any more??.

Paralipomenon

23. He's shy. He doesn't like to appear to more than a single person at a time. (Two witness rule no doubt)

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What Was It Like To Grow Up A Jehovahs Witness?

by The wanderer in

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what was it like to grow up a jehovahs witness?it is fair to say, that as a convert from roman catholicism my understanding .

of what it was like to be raised a jehovahs witness is limited because of not.

having had any family in the organization.

Paralipomenon

For me it seemed normal.

I felt like a little prince. When I went the the meetings I would get so much attention from playing the part of a good witness. I would comment as much as I could so the older sisters would come over after the meeting and gush over how smart and cute I was.

While others found their self esteem plummeting from being raised a witness I had no problem with it. I listened to the parts and tried to think like a grown up. I would ask genuine questions and for the most part would get answers. This challenged me to learn more.

I was prepped for going for school and warned of all the bullying and abuse that I would get. At school I immediately set out to befriend everyone. As I figured, if everyone was my friend they wouldn't bully me. In this I was always very firm about my beliefs. I would exit the class for the national anthem and not participate in holiday activities. In grade 2, for easter the class was making bunnies out of soup cans to hold their candies. I was given a can and told I could make another animal. I made a fox, the natural predator of rabbits. All the kids laughed and I thought I was pretty clever. Though at the end of the day, all the kids were bringing home their bunnies full of chocolate eggs and I had an empty fox in my schoolbag.

Even though I knew what my parents told me about holidays it's very tough to reconcile that. All my friends believed in Santa and they got gifts, maybe it was their belief that made it true. I prayed to Jehovah and asked for presents and didn't get anything. A couple times I stayed up on Christmas eve looking out the window to see if I could spot Santa and his sleigh visiting the other kids. I thought to myself that if I saw him I would sneak outside and tell him that I believed in him even if my parents didn't. I brought my boots and jacket into my room and hid them under the bed.

I didn't last all night and woke up in the morning trying to explain to my parents where my boots were. I was very bitter. When the neighbor kids were playing outside telling me all the stuff Santa bought them I broke the family rule and told them there was no Santa Clause. It was their parents and I knew because I stayed up all night watching. They were in tears and I got in big trouble. I felt guilty but smug at the same time. At least I had ruined Christmas for someone else.

As I got older I was no longer the cute little kid getting tons of praise for commenting so I tried harder and harder for the attention that I used to get. I would volunteer for every part, have my hand up for every paragraph, look up all the scriptures faster than everyone else. When people asked what I planned to do when I grew up I found that saying pioneering or bethel would get the same amount of praise. I didn't really want to, I didn't enjoy service. I loved the winter time because if it was really snowy we could stay home and watch cartoons on Saturday morning. Service itself was boring. The grown ups would talk about work, gardening, cars, grown up stuff as I sat in the back seat between two oversized grownups reading the magazines for what seemed to be the umpteenth time.

The meetings weren't fun, service wasn't fun but it was just the way of life. We didn't know any different. I knew my friends went to church so I thought it was the same.

Getting into the teen years was very difficult. I had requested the baptism questions the same time as my oldest brother did when I was 9. They humored me and started going through them. I knew all the answers. The brother giving the questions cut the session short and went to talk to my parents. I listened from my room as he talked. My mother was absolutely thrilled that her son could get baptized at such a young age. My father and the elder were trying to explain to her that while I knew the answers, I didn't have the understanding of the meaning. Eventually she conceded and I was told that I'd have to wait until I was at least 12 before going over the questions again.

I was really angry.

Into the teen years is when the child starts to look at the organization with open eyes. We can start to see the cracks. At that point you can either ignore the cracks or start to check them out closer. While my friends saw the cracks as an excuse to misbehave I was disturbed by them. They started sleeping around, drinking, smoking, doing drugs and going to bars. For some reason I was always invited along but never succumbed to peer pressure. To date most of them are disfellowshipped and I would suspect several are in jail or dead given the direction their lives were taking.

Their stories would be much different than mine.