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  Why doesn't the Holy Spirit know the day and hour of Jesus return?

  by booker-t in

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  everytime you talk about the trinity to born-again christians and bring up the verse where it says of the day and hour only the father knows they will immediately say jesus was in his "human nature" that is why he does not know.

  but my question is why don't the holy spirit know the day and hour?

  is the holy spirit in human nature as well?

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  Only

  by nicolaou in

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  2. beliefs

  1 of all the magazines being published today, onlythewatchtower and awake!

  can help sincere readers find the path to everlasting life.

  only in the spiritual paradise, among jehovahs witnesses, can we find the self-sacrificing love jesus said would identify his true disciples.

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  e-watchman mass banning

  by spiceant in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  recently e-watchman started deleting/suspending (theres a difference?

  ) accounts of people on the e-jehovahs-witnesses.com forum left and right which he and the moderating team deemed to be discussing apostate things as in apostate in brother kings own vision, further detailed in some posts (basicly barring out discussions of jw doctrine).. i suppose my own offenses was my "staying in the org.

  " thread and one that explained that one should not depend on kh's to be able of worshipping.

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  Jesus is the arch-angel Michael?

  by seekingtruth in

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  2. beliefs

  i never understood why the dubs believe that jesus has to be a angel and not part of godship.it clearly states in john:1:1,in the beginning the word was,and the word was with god,and the word was god.the dubs like to add the letter a to make it say,and the word was a god,but this is not correct.now does this mean that jesus is jehovah?of course it doesn't.it's like me saying in the beggining the woman was,and the woman was with man,and the woman was man.now this doesn't mean that the woman, who was eve, was the man adam.was not the woman made from man?thus she was called woman.so it shows as the bible states that they must become one flesh,which doesnt mean they actually are one person.mark:10:6 says,''however,from the beginning of creation he made them male and female,on this account a man will leave his father and mother,and the two will become one flesh,so that they are no longer two,but one flesh''.adam and eve had the same nature but because one was the decision maker and the other was to be in perfect subjection,they were only one flesh.if eve where to chose her own way(which she later did)that would make two decision makers and thus they would no longer be acting as one enity.to act as one enity there can only be one decsion maker,the other must be the submissive agent.just like the head of the woman is man,the head of the man if christ,thus the head of the christ is jehovah.the father is the source for all decisions,this is the difference between the father and the son as john:5:19 says,therefore,in answer,jesus went on to say to them:''most truly i say to you,the son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative,but only what he beholds the father doing.basically,jesus is saying that he is not equal to his father who can do things on his own.but,the point is jesus cant act''from himself'',he can only act from his father.to act''from himself'',would mean that he was independent of his father and therefore could not be truly equal to his father.jesus is answering the accusations by claiming perfect harmony with his father.therefore,the father is the source of all decisions,and the son is the perfect agent of those decisions.this is why jesus is equated as being one with the father because jesus can do nothing from himself.he can only carry out the fathers will and he does it perfectly.this proves that jehovah and jesus act as a single entity,a single being, the one true god.they are both deity,they have the same essential attributes of immorality,having the authority to judge and give life.they are both credited with making the universe,their glory is one.but,the father and son are two persons.they each have a different role,one is the source of all authority and decisions,the other is the perfect agent or servant.this explains why jesus does not know those things that are for the father to decide and so must receive that knowledge from him.it explains why jesus is in perfect submission to his father and his head.it explains how the father can be greater than the son.it explains how jesus could be god and yet have a god.hebrews 5:8 says,''although he was a son,he learned obeidence from the things he suffered''.if jesus had been an angel in heaven prior to coming to earth,he would have already have known obedience.but this verse says he learned obedience by coming to earth.why did jesus have to learn obedience?if he were god would he not already know?the answer is no!all creatures know and experience obedience.god is the only one that does not know obedience because he cannot experience it,he can only observe it.likewise, jesus does not know sin because he cannot experience it,he can only observe it.so,although jesus was submissive and had observed obedience in angels,he had never experienced obedience until he accepted the consequences of sin,the sin of others.so jesus cannot be a angel,to futher prove this look at hebrews 1:13-14:it says''but with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said,sit at my right hand until i place your enemies as a stool for your feet,are they (angels)not all spirits for public service,sent forth to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation.

  ''its a rhetorical question,it means no angels would ever sit at his right hand,thus proving jesus could not be a angel.and also look at hebrews 2:5,it says,''for it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come,about which we are speaking.

  ''you can clearly see that jesus could not be a angel,but he is deity with the almighty god.

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  What is the best way to rebutt JW's argument that Jesus is not "almighty"?

  by ukescott in

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  i am in a debate with korean jw's over the divinity of jesus.

  i showed them tons of scripture that imply that jesus is divine.

  they reluctantly accepted those and argue that jesus may be a "mighty" god, not "almighty" god and that jehovah alone is almighty.

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  MySpace is dying...

  by Shaolu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lately i've noticed more and more jw groups on myspace seem to be disappearing and losing members.

  at first i egotistically thought might have something to do with my efforts (i sometimes suffer from delusions of grandeur).

  however, a couple posts came to my attention on two of the private jw groups.... .

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  My Thesis

  by Shaolu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i revised my thesis here recently, and i also uploaded it to an additional mirror.

  it's a pdf and approximately 1.4 mb.

  here's the download locations if anyone's interested.... .

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  UN Scandal

  by evetteto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone tell me where i can get info on the un scandal?

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  child getting baptized

  by Cindyrenee in

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  2. beliefs

  nine year old grandson studying to be babtized.

  any thoughts on this??

  i think it is insane.

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  Judicial Committee Audio Recording

  by Shaolu in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  about a week ago i had my little meeting with "the bobs" (yuk yuk), and i got the whole thing digitally recorded.

  it's available online, along with a written transcript here...

  http://www.ichthusstudios.org/cults/jw/

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