Here's another vote for Two Buck Chuck - it's worth trying.
Jenlet
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Trader Joes
by asilentone ini have never been there, but i am thinking about going to trader joes sometime soon.
if you have been there, what did you buy?
do you like them?
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Bible study with PO/sister and wife, did not go well......
by insearchoftruth inlast night....did not go well at all, at least in my opinion.
i feel that the sister from her conversations with my wife started on a quite defensive mode....did my best to stay level headed, but i know there were times i was frustrated, and it showed.. .
the husband and wife were about 40 minutes late, due to traffic, and they were not prepared to discuss michael/jesus, and with respect to the doctrine change, he merely provided me a 1995 and 1997 wt article, when he and i spoke on the phone, he said he was going to show me in the bible, he sort of danced around this a lot, but not to my satisfaction.. .
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Jenlet
I'll take a shot at your questions.
Q) Is Karate allowed?
A) No, it's forbidden, as are all martial arts.
Q) Education, just heavily frowned on?
A) Yes, and then some. When I was a teenager attending college in the 1980s, I was "marked" as bad association for attending university. No one at the Kingdom Hall would hang out with me, virtually guaranteeing my exit from the religion.
If your wife is attending college, this fact is being shrugged off since she is a potential convert. If she commits to the religion (gets baptised) there will be a huge amount of pressure on her to quit school.
Q) Can one work for the government?
A) Yes, although in my experience these tend to be good jobs with benefits, and having a good job is never a good thing for a JW; it tends to make the other JWs jealous. JWs can be incredibly petty - it's hard to explain if you haven't been part of the whole mess.
Q) Can one work for the defense industry?
A) No, this is a disfellowshipping offence - will be described in paperwork with vague terms like "violated Christian neutrality".
Q) Would it be frowned on if she let her son go to a military school?
A) Yes, frowns and worse, military school is not allowed for JW kids.
Q) What can I pull with respect to headship to get her to still do things?
A) Good question, no ideas here.
Good luck.
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by Narkissos inthis may not be my last post on jwd but i feel the time has come for some kind of "goodbye thread" nonetheless.. i first ventured on (french-speaking) xjw forums in 2003, when my own jw past was already old history and practically meaningless to any of my acquaintances in so-called "real life".
looking back, beyond mere curiosity i certainly felt the need to revisit this almost-forgotten chapter of my life story.
what especially drew me to jwd and made me stick to it for the past five years was undoubtedly the extraordinary diversity of this board, and the wealth of experience, information and reflection it offered.
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Jenlet
Just wanted to say I always enjoy reading your posts - thanks for the contribution.
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Wanting to talk to my mom
by lostsheep82 inso now that i've read as much as i could in the last 2 months and made my decision that this isn't the organization i thought it was, i'm scared, terrified, and feel helpless in some ways.
my mom is a devout jw, a pioneer, her husband of the 'anointed', and they are very 'spiritually strong'.
i'm wanting to compile a mini book to send to her with all the reasons and proof from wt books and magazines with quotes and stuff.
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Jenlet
Another vote here for not sending your mom the "book". Don't put anything in writing. Your mom won't read it, and it will just get passed on to the elders and used against you.
In looking at your posts I think you have articulated your feelings very well. I particularly like these thoughts:
"I'm not returning NOT because I'm gay, NOT because I want to be rebelious and turn away from God, but because I don't beleive in so many things they teach, and I cannot preach or go door to door with a right conscience. ... I cannot pretend to beleive something I dont."
I suggest you tell you mom these things, exactly as you have posted them here. If she wants to find out why you can't participate in good conscience, she can ask for more information. Let her ask for the details, and you may have an opportunity to share some of the things you have learned.
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JWs insensitivity to human tragedies
by behemot ininsensitivity to tragedy, especially when it interferes with their plans, seems to be the norm among jws.. the story about the kansas city k.h.
suicide, and the concern local jws are showing, mainly toward the rebuilding of the hall, reminded me of something that happened in rome, italy at the 2000 international assembly at the olympic stadium.
i was there as a delegate.. on saturday morning, just before the start of the program, a 27 y.o.
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Jenlet
When I was a teenager in the 1980s I remember my mother's reaction to the chemical disaster in Bhopal, India. She said, "Did any Witnesses die?". She didn't care that thousands of people died. They were "worldly" so they didn't matter. She was only interested in the number of JW casualties.
I knew this attitude was wrong and disturbingly sinful. This is one of most important reasons I left mentally long before I vacated the Kingdom Hall.
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Talk by brother Herd (long)
by moomanchu inthe stars fall from heaven?
~sigh~ and youll fall across the finish line into the new world!
we dont want that brothers.
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Jenlet
To any "interested ones" that are looking at this website:
Make sure to read this talk. It does an excellent job of explaining the salvation through works theology of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Do You Consider Yourself a "Bright?"
by XJW4EVR ini have recently been exposed to this term, and i am currently doing research for a paper on this movement.
i am wondering if there are any on this board that would affirm this label for themselves.
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Jenlet
Fascinating that they require their own cult jargon.
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Lawyers at Bethel
by nbernat ini heard that bethel pays for brothers' undergrad and law school expenses if they serve as lawyers, is that true?
also, just to see the hypocrisy, would they accept someone who went to harvard law even if they weren't a regular pioneer?
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Jenlet
It looks like this happened at the Canadian branch in the case of Shane Brady - he was reworked from a baker into a lawyer in a Cinderella story only a JW could love. Here is a re-print of a National Post article about Brady from 2007 - I hope the link works.
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Excommunication/Disfellowshipping is pagan practice--by request!
by Atlantis inexcommunication/disfellowshipping is pagan practice!--by request!
request from researcher: hi atlantis or n. or whoever!
one of my friends on the board said that she downloaded the 1947 awake pdf that "bereanbiblestudent and invetigator 74" posted, and in the first issue on page 26, it said that excommunication or disfellowshipping was a pagan practice.
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Jenlet
Very interesting, thanks a lot.
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Do You Still Believe In Anything JWs Taught You?
by minimus inare there any beliefs that you learned from the witnesses that you still believe in?
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Jenlet
Sure, I would say the concept of racial equality is something I still believe in; i.e. "God is not partial".