I do believe it was written in advance of the fullfillment by Isaiah himself. How many years inadvance is harder to nail down. Isa. 1:1 says that Isaiah profecied during the rule of Uzziah which was apparently in the early to middle of the eighth century and through the rule of Hezekiah. Jewish history claims Isaiah was killed by Manasseh (his rule began in the early seventh century). When during that time period Isaiah wrote the prophecy, I honestly don't know. I guess I need to investigate that more. But whether it was early or later in that time period it still well before.
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OK, so what's the deal with the Cyrus prophecy?
by Amha·aret ini'd really like an answer to this.
its probably been discussed already and if so, feel free to send the link.. as a dub, i always marvelled at this prophecy - how jehovah was able to name the person who would overthrow babylon and in what manner he would do it (drying up the river, gates unlocked, etc.
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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?
by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH inokay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.
okay, that just about does it.
i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......
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Dunk, Ray is a still a JW in San Diego.
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OK, so what's the deal with the Cyrus prophecy?
by Amha·aret ini'd really like an answer to this.
its probably been discussed already and if so, feel free to send the link.. as a dub, i always marvelled at this prophecy - how jehovah was able to name the person who would overthrow babylon and in what manner he would do it (drying up the river, gates unlocked, etc.
) and so far in advance too.
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Inkling, thank you for your post. Maybe I should have been clearer. I'm not saying anything should be assumed. In the analysis of any issue all of the evidence should be reviewed and then a conclusion should be based on the preponderance of the evidence. I take issue with the analysis of Isaiah that has as its premise that predictive prophecy is impossible and thus only evidence that supports that premise is accepted or acknowledged. It's the old "miracles are false because they are miracles" argument. My mentioning of the 19th century start to the critical view of Isaiah was just to highlight the historical context of these arguments. These arguments were born at the height of the "higher criticism" movement, when it was very much en vogue to do nothing but cast doubt on the Bible. Their views were anything but unbiased but very openly had the purpose make known that "God is Dead".
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OK, so what's the deal with the Cyrus prophecy?
by Amha·aret ini'd really like an answer to this.
its probably been discussed already and if so, feel free to send the link.. as a dub, i always marvelled at this prophecy - how jehovah was able to name the person who would overthrow babylon and in what manner he would do it (drying up the river, gates unlocked, etc.
) and so far in advance too.
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I don't have time for an exhaustive response to the theories of multiple writers of the book Isaiah but here are some things you might want to consider:
1. This question was never raised until the 19th century as a result of naturalistic reasonings that deny even the possiblity of predictive prophecy. Most of the arguments stated have that presuppostion at their root and are a result of a anti-supernaturalism bent on disproving that a "second" Isaiah wrote these prophecies after the fact. Dr. Oswald Allis wrote: “In text-books that represent the “critical” or “higher-critical” viewpoint it is regarded as a matter of prime importance to explain the supernatural, which often means to explain it away, and to deal with the Bible in such a way that the supernatural will really cease to be supernatural.”
2. Josephus was apparently unaware of any division.
3. The apostle Paul quotes from both of the supposed "portions" and attributes both to Isaiah.
4. If you want to find differences in writing style you can. A different subject, theme, purpose or time of writing could cause the variation in style of even the same author. There was definietly a change in theme after the 39th chapter. Does that change in theme require that it be attributed to another author in and of itself? In addition, one can find unique similarities in writing styles throughout the book of Isaiah. These similarities would be quite apparent to anyone investigating if their motives were unbiased. Unfortunately the critical analyse that has produced these objections to a single author concept have been anything but unbiased.
5. There are other prohecies in the OT and NT that are written as if they had already been fulfilled. The book of Revelation is a perfect example of this.
I personally feel that most of these arguments are wishful thinking on the part of people that have lost their faith and now desperately latch on to anything that will assuage their conscience and self-doubt.
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Trust in Jehovah in these hard economic times--but send us money
by Bonnie_Clyde inclyde has heard from two sources that a letter was read at the meeting last week.
after encouragement to trust in jehovah, they suggested that each publisher send about $5.70 to the society each month to help support the organization.
that's the way he heard it.
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I haven't seen that letter.
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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?
by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH inokay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.
okay, that just about does it.
i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......
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Howard was not df'd. I know a guy who is in the same congregation as him in Perris, CA. He is still an elder I guess.
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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?
by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH inokay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.
okay, that just about does it.
i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......
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TheListener, you have stories of Park? I'd love to hear them. I've had him lately and I'm underwhelmed to say the least.
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Anyone here from San Diego North County? Surfrusty
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Fading In? Am I nuts?
by jaydoe ini am a baptized jw that faded some years back.
in those days i deeply believed in the org and became disillusioned by some things happening in the local congregation.
following some research on the net i decided to fade out of watchtower existence because i did not want to keep mixing with false religion (or so i thought at the time).
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Ah, come on Nathan Natas! That is over the top!
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Fading In? Am I nuts?
by jaydoe ini am a baptized jw that faded some years back.
in those days i deeply believed in the org and became disillusioned by some things happening in the local congregation.
following some research on the net i decided to fade out of watchtower existence because i did not want to keep mixing with false religion (or so i thought at the time).
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I have visited anti-JW sites for many years. Mainly out of curiosity and entertainment. I am not questioning all of what is claimed as being false but I guess I rather question the importance of the things brought up as such BIG issues and the motive behind all of this antipathy. As regards being able to come back on your own terms or not march to the tune of the local body of elders, I think you can do it. I think many people do. And that is their choice. No, they won't be set up in the congregation as some outstanding example for the rest which I don'[t think they would mind anyways. Surfrusty