Posts by RAF

fifi40 : If we take the view of 'life is what you make it' then we are putting ourselves in a place which enables us to help others less fortunate than ourselves.

I agree, but only people who think about it regarding to success (in life) leads to that ... life is not about success life is about experiences ... But if you take this statement as a way to tell anyone if you do not succeed it's because you don't really want it or don't put enought effort in it ... it's unfair ... cause life do not work that way. Why? We are inter-dependant and anything can have an impact on what we are doing (and we do not lead everything/everyone - we just can't).

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Thinking.

by Blueblades in

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thinking is difficult.

thinking is complex.

to think well is a laborious, often, painstaking process until one becomes accustomed to being " thoughtful.

it is a never-ending process (each information have its importance) but the base stays the main focus before to go further (you still have to find it out in each process and level because it's important to not missing the point and because it helps to follow the process of whatever do evoluate).

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Are you a 'Life is Over-rated' or a 'life is what you make it' type person?

by needproof in

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i was wondering who out there is a 'life is what you make it' type person.

i must admit that i am a 'life is over-rated' type.

i don't wish to sound negative but how can you say to a kid born in war torn sudan 'oh, get over it... life is what you make it!'.

RAF

I'll also join Dansk on the matter

and to answer farest on the question (is life what you make it when you seems to not have the choice?) your spirit still have the choice to more focus on the pain or focus on joy.

When my son was ill under Chimio he was laughing as much as he could, not that he wasn't suffering he just still wanted to spend time laughing (he is a joker anyway). And by that even in knowing that something horrible could have happened the time I shared with him was very extra ordinary ... I do not remember him talking about death 1 time not 1 about himself but only others (even when for the first time he had to understand he had a serious sickness - that's the only time I remember him saying : If I'm gonna die your going to stay alone (weird he wasn't thinking about him leaving this word what he was afraid of is knowing that I would be alone).

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Is Faith Dangerous? A Question for Believers...

by AllTimeJeff in

i hope this will be as respectful a debate as possible.

here is the premise: many of us (most) seem to be ex jw's on this board.

that means, whatever your motivation, for a time you bought into the theology of jw to one degree or another.

RAF

Deputy Dog short answers but ...

what he says rejoin what Perry said

So, if we are certain that a lifestyle of loving your neighbor is one of the ultimate universal "truths" to live by and that helping the poor is another, and that allowing people free will with minimal restraints with respect to the wishes of the majority is still another, that will result in totalitarianism?

but What Narkissos wanted to say (I think) is that with the same motive you can go to war (it happens)

but then it is forgetting why people really get into war (and that's what people don't really know about before they get into war - desinformation helps a lot in being wrong = the false truth)

Eddited to add : that when Deputy Dog got all the points (Page 3)

1) To answer the question, faith is only dangerous to nonbelievers!
2) So what is your "faith" in?

1 = you are not a reel believer if you do not believe in what is really important
2 = so if your faith is based on what is not important (you might get dangerous)

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How could we need "new light"?

by avidbiblereader in

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1 john 2:8 again, i am writing you a new commandment, a fact that is true in his case and in yours, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.

what do you think?.

abr.

RAF

RAF,
Proverbs 4:18

AuldSoul : Yeah thanks that's the one I was talking about ... and of course it is NOT a prophety as a proverbe it talks about natural process in our lives.
Editted to add : but there is another one (Proverbe) but I don't remember witch one Geessssssss !!! HELP please

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How could we need "new light"?

by avidbiblereader in

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1 john 2:8 again, i am writing you a new commandment, a fact that is true in his case and in yours, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.

what do you think?.

abr.

RAF

it is said in so many ways in the bible ...

If I'm correct the only verse they use to support the idea of new light - is a Proverbe and as a proverbe it makes sens of course more you experience/lears things more it should become clear - it doesn't mean that they have to change - some do, some don't but in observing them you know which do and which don't.

The bible as ancient scriptures (all together) can't be change, it is already a real probleme for our generation to understand it - but the meaning (conceptually) about it says do not change along the time.

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What to do?

by freyd in

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what if you're in love but don't want to be married?

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One of my niece (JW now dfed) after living a bit more than one year with a guy (with no problem at all) then fell bad about being (in a so called irregular situation) that's when she actually asked for being dfed ... just after that began to bother her boyfriend with lets getting married NOW.

That how their couple are now getting in trouble. So I've ask why are you in hurry you choosed to be dfed take your time now to think about every aspect of everything. She said she always dreamed to be married she is waiting since a long time ... (since when? even before she met the guy)SO ... SO ... SO WHAT? is that a good REASON?

The guy (who is not JW) told her he is not ready (not that he does not love her) but some things have to be more clear for him to get there ... I mean this guy is quite mature you don't just run into anything even because of love ... for instance on thing he did put out is about the fact that she is JW and she couldn't understand that, as she told me that she don't push him to be a JW ... but I've told her that they are not the only one concerned since she is a JW (any Elder could be a third party in their couple for instance) and he knows JWs.

That's when she told me So I'm not going to have a kid now ... I've asked who wants a kid ? ... she said both ... Who is in hurry? ... We are not in hurry she said ... SO WHERE IS THE PROBLEM NOW? Why would any want to have a kid with someone you still don't know if things going to be as fine as possible to be able to stay together or at least be mature enough to make sur the kid in any way will be ok (if together or not?)

If one is not ready, the couple can't be ready ... (love is something, but committements ask for maturity and lot of selfcontrol) and in our familly (5 sisters I can't tell it's one of bigest weakness).

Eddited to add : (and actually the only one who is not like that in the familly is my son - So I guess the guy knows that he will have to deal with something really hard to deal with - love can help but well I guess he needs to be sur about his capacity to bear it).

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'THE DAWKINS DELUSION' New book responds to Dawkins 'The God Delusion'

by nicolaou in

in the wake of richard dawkins bestseller 'the god delusion' (which i and many others here have read) there has been a good deal of rebuttal from the 'faith' community.

now a new book is out published by alister mcgrath, professor of theology at oxford university.

it is entitled 'the dawkins delusion'.. has anyone read it or ordered it yet?

RAF

k, k, k,

God (Essence of everything) or Not God (a cell self evoluting with and without interaction) = same thing viewed in a different way

the difference God (intelligente essence) keep some controle but a cell wouldn't actually at our stage of evolution with the faculty of evoluting with interaction over the time from 1 cell ... it would be exponential (in evoluation and new creation) is it what we can see? NO