Oh no ... I'll miss you for sure !!!
always appreciated to read you, and your specific way to participate (often short but really talking ...)
Since you can come back whenever you want I hope you'll do ...
Posts by RAF
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43My Parting Shot
by Warlock infor those of you here who think you know so much, read: "the black swan" by nassim nicholas taleb.
then, you will see how much you really don't know.. for those of you here who think you don't know much, read: "the black swan" by nassim nicholas taleb.. then, you will see how much you really do know.. i love all of you, either way, but that was my parting shot.
i've been here for almost a year and i must move on.. warlock .
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As a witness, how would you have handled this scripture?
by NotaNess inphilippeans 1:15-18 (nwt).
if someone you were witnessing to at a door or on the street presented you with this scripture, and told you that paul supported even false intensions about christ, in fact he rejoiced in it.
in other words if witnesses have issues with "false religion" or some church leaders(on tv) out there acting like big supporters of the gospel, but they're really in it for the money, how would you handle that paerson saying that paul rejoiced in it?
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RAF
I don't think that they really understand that they have to preach Christ (in being a disciple = a follower spiritually which have something to do with acts and why those acts) - and acting is not about going to door, showing love should be enough
This scripture talks about tolerance in knowing that most of the time if we do not know ourselves enough, we don't really know why we are doing some things (what we are today might not be what we will be tomorrow, anyway).
But the message is still as clear (Christ talks about love/charity which include forgiveness/understanding).JW's are a bit handicaped in the understanding because they have to hear about JEHOVAH and it's supposed organisation, way more than Christ / When CHRIST IS THE KEY to understanding.
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Tired of cliques, are you?
by DazedAndConfused inare you tired of feeling out of sinc (sp) ?
i am.. explain how you feel out of the loop..
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RAF
Cliques = division (you like it or not - you are victime of it or not) if you are victime of it there is no reason to really care for yourself (the need to belong to the point to create, encouragie or enter into cliques have something to with slavery).
so don't worry be happy.
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Strong nor Valuable
by RAF instrong nor lets say : strong-valuable relationship.
to really get into this subject i have to put superficial relationships aside because if superficiality has its place in life (when we are bored), i guess it is still superficial (to call a cat a cat).
whish doesnt mean that a superficial relationship cant become a strong nor valuable one but it takes time nor specific natural ways or opportunity (good or bad for one or the other if not both) to get there, in being based on something effective (= a real connection) or something quiet embarrassing (= a need) because it is not really effective in friendship in fact.
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More than being there is the appreciation for being there.
DSK I like the way you've put it short ...
It seems that what works in valuable friendship/relationship is actually the hability to be honnest in showing real concerne about what is really valuable on a global scale it's like somehow it is not really about "you" and "me" it's about being satisfied by what is essential
(not sure I'm clear here, my thinking is not over about this, but I was thinking about that while going to buy cigs wondering if on a day off the store would be oppen and still wonder why I'm leaning to this statement) ...but might elaborate when I'll find a more clear explanation if this statement is still calling me to think about it.
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Getting Married
by KW13 ini've waited to mention this yet because certain dates needed confirming but just to let you all know i am getting married next month with megan!.
we may appear to be too young but you must understand .
1) we do love each other and we don't want to wait.
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RAF
Well ... best wishes ... !!!
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Strong nor Valuable
by RAF instrong nor lets say : strong-valuable relationship.
to really get into this subject i have to put superficial relationships aside because if superficiality has its place in life (when we are bored), i guess it is still superficial (to call a cat a cat).
whish doesnt mean that a superficial relationship cant become a strong nor valuable one but it takes time nor specific natural ways or opportunity (good or bad for one or the other if not both) to get there, in being based on something effective (= a real connection) or something quiet embarrassing (= a need) because it is not really effective in friendship in fact.
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Strong nor Lets say : Strong-Valuable Relationship
To really get into this subject I have to put superficial relationships aside because if superficiality has its place in life (when we are bored), I guess it is still superficial (to call a cat a cat). Whish doesn’t mean that a superficial relationship can’t become a strong nor valuable one but it takes time nor specific natural ways or opportunity (good or bad for one or the other if not both) to get there, in being based on something effective (= a real connection) or something quiet embarrassing (= a need) because it is not really effective in friendship in fact. (also strong and valuable doesn't mean the same - and valuable seems more well ... valuable)
It’s funny because while writing I didn’t know I would already get a straight satisfying answer to me, about effectiveness of friendship from what it is based on (based on whatever need = biased / based on a real connection = true) but we still have to considered the need of connection as a need (the real connection being something not limited to needs but the ability to commune by intimate, heightened sensitivity and receptivity without needing the other one to share the same thing – whatever it is – time / entertainments / friends / paths / ways etc …). I guess it have more to do with liberty than understanding. For instance (as examples among others) :
To me a real friend is the one which wouldn’t care losing me because he/she tells me the truth about what he thinks about me (even if it’s bad) because I guess that the reason why he/she would do that wouldn’t be to hurt me, but to help me to be aware of it and taking care.
A false friend might say amen to whatever I say and do and let me sink into my stupidity or selfishness, just because he “needs” or think it is the way he/she will get my attention or reinforce the connection (so does he/she taking care of a friend or does he/she works to get something for him/herself at first?).
So tell me about what you think about it yourself and for once lets forget about : a real friend is someone who is there when you are in need
Because of course it makes sense when its possible and even more when deserved but un unknown can do that for us for free - and just that - before to disappear for whatever reason. So to me it is not really a characteristic of a “valuable friend” but at first a characteristic of a “charitable human ” one. Also this statement is biased because who we are (as too needy or too independent people whether it’s psychological nor material) to the point that people don’t really know when we are really in need or give you a chance to realised make you understand that you have to be more balanced. So whatever we might think about why someone did or did not help might be misunderstood.
Any though / history or other/different view about the subject?
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Why would God...
by Crooked Lumpy Vessel input us on this planet...giving us life with all its beauty.
flowers, children, relationships, clouds, trees, kittens...then.
tell us we are imperfect human beings and that there are invisible evil forces and demonic influences that are much greater and stronger than we are trying to sway us in the wrong direction.
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As long as we need to put the blame on only one thing (IT) and expecting the same IT to arrange everything ... We might forget that we have free will and feel confortable not taking our responsabilities to grow up and really understand that everything is very complex in one sense and very simple in an other. and since we are at least able to understand what is simple we should begin our thinking from what is simple.
Simple : Good as bad are contagious (if there was nobody to applaude and promote greedy/selfish/egocentric/bad spirited with all there bad faith to look good, would there be any who wants to be like that?) but no wonder why a lot wants to copy or envie them (who is to blame? Who can help? Thoses questions becomes complex because everybody will have a reason to react or not the right or the wrong way regarding to someone or something else = their actual needs regarding to there whole experience but in fact ourselves)
Complex : Do a creator/God have to be humanlike ? When the answer seems to be simple, since IT is not supposed to be human (it stil doesn't make the answer that simple) but it allows to not comparare what is not comparable.
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Which sex do you think has it easier in our culture?
by new boy inand....................have you ever wished you were of the opposite sex?
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RAF
I guess like another one said (in this thread) depends on who you are but regarding to what you want/satisfies you and where you are ... all together (means your abilities - choices - temper - mentality regarding to how far you can act and gain from them where you are).
In a western society I wouldn't mind being either one
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How can you be faithful yet not gullible or misled?
by The Dragon ini hear all the time how leaders justify why people should buy into and follow their guesses...and the whole defense is if you don't you have no faith.. what protects a "faithful" person from becoming prey to a self-exalted leader and their guesses?
or are the faithful meant to be prey or something?.
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Also to further on the subject : calling anyone stupid is a wrong and actually a stupid strategy it only works on weak minds (which always have a potential to become strong at any time = revolt).
Weak minds are those who needs other people to think for them because they miss self confidence but since it's not there thinking process which have lead to their new (but in fact accepted) understanding they won't "really" understandtill they have effectively done the thinking job by their own process if the argument is a good one).
The name calling nor adhominem attacks only talks about the talker fears, beliefs and need to put unusefull argument to win a point for free = red flag lazy tactic - which can work in the moment but not for good (again since any weak mind can become strong at any time for their own good or bad).
Also There are different " name calling " tactique : For instance the JW reasoning book and lots of their litterature is using it all along in a very subtle way : with this kind of sentences : is this the way this should be understood ?This is certainely not the way this should be understood or surely this is not what is to be understood ? ... and lots of others (so if you were thinking the reverse of what they want you to think you may feel dumb).
So : gains / losses / name calling (subtle or not) have to be put aside in the thinking process or in the information/argumentation method to be as honest and effective as possible in respecting the other one thinking process in reminding ourselve that the greater can be tiniest and the tiniest can be the greater (it seems also true, regarding to : faster / slower) at the end (the brain is amazing). That's why under or overestimate anyone (including ourselves) can be missleading.
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How can you be faithful yet not gullible or misled?
by The Dragon ini hear all the time how leaders justify why people should buy into and follow their guesses...and the whole defense is if you don't you have no faith.. what protects a "faithful" person from becoming prey to a self-exalted leader and their guesses?
or are the faithful meant to be prey or something?.
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Not sure I've understand the subject you are really talking about but :
Since faith and understanding stay a personnal matter (related to each ones experiences all together).
I've realised that the best way to informe anyone is to give the information (your own way - since we all have our own way) and let him/her free to interprate it ... wheither he/she understands/believes it or not at the moment is not the real point because for some it'll take a second for others it can take years ...
Not because they are more or less smart, but because each one of us deal with the same "kind and themes" of information in a different order of priority and ways (related to their immediate needs, personal experiences and habits related to how their thinking process have been built through years of education). So you can try to push them with any argument it won't really help (they will more likely reject it).
But every information stays as a hint in their subconscious which they will recover when something in their experience will call it and help them to resolve the puzzle by coherence through thinking from experiences.
Also it is still (and more over in the matter of religion / faith) to remind anyone that whatever says that you will gain something have a potential of manipulation ... So it's all about thinking about the matter without what we are suppose to gain out of whatever to get a clearer view (way less subjective) on the matter.
And, since we do not have the same (not basic = eating, sleeping, moving) needs and in the same order ... helping nor manipulating someone is not about pushing them to what pleases you, it's more effective to talk about what is unpleasant in general (it's a manipulation system - which give a sense of emergency to fasten the thinking process on the right or wrong side) So it can be for the good (unstead of the bad).
So : it's all about talking about the gains and losses (to put a red flag in anyonces conscious and subconcious)to get someones attention (for him/her to register the informationeven if he/she do not use it the right way or at all at first), way before the real arguments as logic.
Also as you saidplaying dumb is a good strategy ... it makes the other one wanting to help you by thinking himself about the subject ... that's when little by little you can in talking about his/her argument telling about your own thinking process and understanding ... which in fact is a way to put forth your argument without having the other one thinking that you are trying to convince him/her and allow him/her to put less subjective barriere to what you are saying.
That's why spychologists just ask question and let you answer them yourself (they just give you some hints along the process at if possible the right moment for patient - sometimes it's to early - and it does the reverses effect - because the patient is not ready to deal with it).
So it's never about who said what but how and when it is understandable relatevely to each one (regarding to what pressure him/her and please him/her = his/her priorities).