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  Is Faith Dangerous? A Question for Believers...

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  i hope this will be as respectful a debate as possible.

  here is the premise: many of us (most) seem to be ex jw's on this board.

  that means, whatever your motivation, for a time you bought into the theology of jw to one degree or another.

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  ok to be more precise faith (the religious one - and actually even not religious one) is not totally related to the fact that we believe in God ... it's a matter of confidenceyou believe that some things can really lead to something better (religiously as christian / Christ's doctrine about how to treat each other and ourselves) ... I don't really feel the need to go further than that ...

  As for the reward I don't really care ... I am what I am, I have the feeling that I have and I'm not gonna be hypocrite about it (since I don't feel that I'm a monster, I feel ok with myself and think that God who knows me, know that I'm doing my best relatively to what I am and my spiritual state, even in not being perfect).

  Anyway I'm not searching for perfection about myself I more looking for understanding ... you can yell on me /treat me like shit wathever like, if I understand your why everything will still be ok ... you can be nice to me but if I feel that you are hypocrite (well ... it's a standbye).
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  Eph 6:15 Does this mean we have to preach to be protected?

  by Verona in

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  our speaker who gave the public talk used this scripture to indicate that unless we have a good habit of preaching then we are not keeping our spiritual armor in good shape.

  i'm wondering if there is a better, logical explanation for that verse?

  would anyone know of any?

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  From Leo and same statements as a base :

  to be more specific and clear on why it's not about preaching
  keep in mind that it says the Gospel of peace (and not just the Gospel)
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  Is Faith Dangerous? A Question for Believers...

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i hope this will be as respectful a debate as possible.

  here is the premise: many of us (most) seem to be ex jw's on this board.

  that means, whatever your motivation, for a time you bought into the theology of jw to one degree or another.

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  Narkissos : But imo the potential good or bad of faith has little if anything to do with a belief being true or wrong. You can be a nice, kind and helpful person with absurd beliefs, and a dreadful inquisitor with correct beliefs.

  Agreed

  Since faith is a personnal thing - to me it should stay as a philosophy forme seen from outside.
  The fanatics are Dangerous in many ways
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  Stupid Brits!

  by nicolaou in

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  we can take it!

  c'mon tell us why we're so stupid, it can't be that difficult we elected tony blair for god's sake!.

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  MrsJones/LT/Mouthy

  ... I agree ... (Brits all white ) .... that was very stupid !!! Sorry Folks !!!
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  Stupid Brits!

  by nicolaou in

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  we can take it!

  c'mon tell us why we're so stupid, it can't be that difficult we elected tony blair for god's sake!.

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  ... ... !!!
  
  well the Brits have a HUGE sens of humour (very WIDE possibilities, almost EVERYTHING can be joked about - including themselves / it still depends on have it been understood or not - the state of mind and of course the mood - one factor or all together at the moment ) just behind them I would put the Chinese not that different just either more or less subtile (or maybe the only real difference is that the brits are white and speaks English) dunno
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  Need A Break From The Forum (Goodbye for now)

  by lovelylil in

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  dear friends,.

  i am taking some time away from posting.

  i don't really know if or when i will be back.

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  Lilly ... Enjoy your break
  and come back ... (you will ...) Take care
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  My Bethel Experince Part V

  by new boy in

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  bindery...........5th floor building 3 bindery line 5.............. the machines conquer all.. standing in the same spot, doing the same motion thousands of times a day........you would get the 1000 yard stare (seen in the war movies)..........the first week, you would think about everyone you ever meet........the next week you would think about every movie you ever saw...........the next week, about every place you would like to travel to.............................the next week think about every mistake you made...............the next week, someone would walk up and ask you "what are you thinking about?".

  "nothing".......you would say........you were brain dead.. there is eternality!......................some hours felt like it.

  a good friend of mine, jim pipkorn (also from the lanudry) who was also shafted to the "end sheet gluer" in the bindery, got so depressed that for months, he would come back to his room make himself some dinner and go to bed, at about 7:00 p.m...................i asked him why he was doing that, he said "it makes the days go by quicker" .

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  My Bethel Experience part 4

  by new boy in

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  black thursday september 1972. knorr gathered all the bethel "heavies" and gb to the kh in the 119 building.

  the three freds (circuit overseers).............and about 50 brothers.....thats right only 50. the other guys chickened out, they knew it was going to be a blood bath.

  i was there with 7 others from the launrdy............... it started out with dan smoally (not even 30 years old and partaking) telling about what max larson (head of the whole factory) told him "there was no way he was one of the anointed!

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  My Bethel Experience Part III

  by new boy in

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  don't get me wrong...........there was no one more self righteous then me at 19. moved to kansas at 18 to pioneer and even printed up cards that said............ "have sword with travel"---------contact casarona salina kansas------ aaa (availabe after armegeddon)-----ss (sacred service)...... oh, i was full of myself!

  thought of myself as a spiritual gun fighter.

  to defend truth, justice and all the watchtower bible and tract society stood for.

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  When we quote from the bible to prove a point do we have any right?

  by Qcmbr in

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  2. beliefs

  one thing you'll see me and many others do is the good old bible bash with scriptures flying around.

  i cannot move away from the idea however, that when we cannot agree on the interpretation of scripture how can we possibly claim our understanding is superior to anothers?

  yet upon such topics hangs the supposed destination of one's soul.

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  Id like somehow, someone would open a specific range of topics related to differents views on scriptures.

  so that anyone trying to give at least 1 to 3 interpretations of each in staying in the context (of the verse and it's meaning)

  • literal : the primal interpretation
  • How it's interpretated by the JW's or different religion : knowledge on the matter
  • How it could be intrepreted conceptaly or if prefered spiritually : any view point

  The verses studyed would be some who are debated in other topics (for instance - lunched on after this other) otherwise we would have to think about wich verses to talk about.