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  faithful and discreet slave-33AD till 1914?

  by erik in

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  recently, i have come across a question pertaining to the whereabouts of the faithful and discreet slave between the time of the first century christians and 1914.. i have heard two separate things.. 1) that there was no break between the time of the first century christians, and that there was in some way a faithful and discreet slave here on earth.

  note: wt march 1, 1981, p24.

  "jehovah's witnesses believe that this parable to the one true congregation of jesus christ's anointed followers.

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  erik

  Hello everyone. Recently, I have come across a question pertaining to the whereabouts of the faithful and discreet slave between the time of the first century christians and 1914.

  I have heard two separate things.

  1) That there was no break between the time of the first century christians, and that there was in some way a faithful and discreet slave here on earth. Note: WT March 1, 1981, p24

  "Jehovah's Witnesses believe that this parable to the one true congregation of Jesus Christ's anointed followers. Beginning with Pentecost, 33 C.E., and continuing through the 19 centuries since then, this slavelike congregation has been feeding its members spiritually, doing so faithfully and discreetly."

  (Please note this information could be taken out of context, since I have not seen this WT for myself.)

  2)The other definition that I have heard is different. When I asked this question to my brothers wife who has been in the organization for many years, she had a different answer. Her answer wsa the same that I have heard elsewhere from other Witnesses an well. The answer had something to do with the fact that after 607 BCE the king of Jerusalem (Israel), Gods chosen people was taken away, and that until the new king was to come again this being Jesus in the year 1914 or 1919, there would be no slave to dipense the proper food at the proper time. Since Jesus has come in 1914, there is a need to inform people of this fact and so the need for the faithful and discreet slave.

  My information on number 2 is probably off a bit, and it is because of this that I am posting this. If anyone could shed light on this or give me a clearer understanding I would appreciate it. Since the #2 answer has been the information given to me concerning the gap between the first century christians and the early witnesses.

  Thank you...
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  Cath. Encyclopedia agrees with WT re 607

  by Cygnus in

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  under the heading "babylonia".

  at first nabuchodonosor ii began a small guerilla warfare against jerusalem; then, in 607 b.c., he dispatched a considerable army, and after a while began the siege in person.. can any apostate tell me what's wrong with this quote?

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  Hey Lionel,

  Thats very interesting, thanks for putting up the whole quote for us so we don't read it out of context. Is the quote you posted from the Catholic Encyclopedia?
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  NOT WAITING ANYLONGER

  by jst2laws in

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  exactly one year ago three other families joined us at our vacation home for a week of relaxation and stimulating conversation.

  of the four men, three were elders and the other a ministerial servant.

  together these four had 116 years as appointed servants.

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  Who is J. Penton and why did he have such a big impact when he left?
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  Faithful and Discreet Servant

  by erik in

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  i came across a scripture in isaiah 43:10-12 recently and noticed it mentioned the israelites as both witnesses and also called them a servant.

  does the governing body then have reason to make reference to themselves as a servant, since the israelites as a group were mentioned as a servant.. i would appreciate your thoughts on this.

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  Farkel

  Who are Moyle and MacMillan? And, where can I find this case?
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  Faithful and Discreet Servant

  by erik in

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  i came across a scripture in isaiah 43:10-12 recently and noticed it mentioned the israelites as both witnesses and also called them a servant.

  does the governing body then have reason to make reference to themselves as a servant, since the israelites as a group were mentioned as a servant.. i would appreciate your thoughts on this.

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  How are they eating and drinking with drunkards?
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  Faithful and Discreet Servant

  by erik in

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  i came across a scripture in isaiah 43:10-12 recently and noticed it mentioned the israelites as both witnesses and also called them a servant.

  does the governing body then have reason to make reference to themselves as a servant, since the israelites as a group were mentioned as a servant.. i would appreciate your thoughts on this.

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  I came across a scripture in Isaiah 43:10-12 recently and noticed it mentioned the Israelites as both WITNESSES and also called them a SERVANT. Does the Governing body then have reason to make reference to themselves as a SERVANT, since the Israelites as a group were mentioned as a SERVANT.

  I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
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  A Prophet Here? Or A Profiteer?

  by Englishman in

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  where's yk gone?.

  has he paid his debts re his bet on the financial system collapsing?.

  maybe he's just too busy reading stuff by larouche.. englishman.. nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

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  Who or what is YK?
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  Do JWs still believe the WT version of the 144000?

  by nicolaou in

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  the society have taught for many years that only 144,000 individuals will have embraced true worship from the time when jesus (and presumably john the baptist six months before him) began his ministry in about 30 c.e.

  when the great crowd began to be drawn in.. however, even a casual reading of the book of acts shows the phenomenal growth of christianity during the time of the apostles.

  in colossians ch1 paul even makes the comment that the good news had at that point been preached to all creation that was under heaven.. in 64 c.e, there were so many christians in rome already that nero felt he could easily blame them for the destructive fire which had swept through the city.

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  I am currently trying to figure out what direction to take, and I have a few questions regarding the 144,000 myself.

  So then who are the 144,000? And, just a side point the Witnesses do not say that there were no more annointed after 1935. As a matter of fact currently the teaching is that a member can be of the annointed after 1935. I have personally seen or heard of individuals that claim to be of the annointed after 1935.

  Please enlighten....
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  pat me on the back, 1 year JW free

  by jayhawk1 in

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  well, this is my first anniversary and i am feeling good about it.

  i wanted to take some time to thank everyone for helping me with my freedom.

  there are too many people to thank them personally, but i wanted to leave a small note to say thanks all the same.. "hand me that whiskey, i need to consult the spirit."-j.f.

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  wishiwere1

  why can't you go back?
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  wild beast

  by erik in

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  does anyone have another view or interpretation of the 7 headed 10 horned wild beast and the one that gives it power that beast having one head and 2 horns.

  i believe current wt informs the 7 headed wild beast to be the un and the beast that gives it power the 2 honed wild beast to be the american-anglo power.

  please give any other alternative views to this prophecy.

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  Why the papacy and the roman government, I do not see the correlation.