Posts by glenster

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what is best evidence against noah's flood?......

by oompa in

keep it simple if possible........i like the ice core samples.........thanks, this was not my big issue but i may be able to use it.......oompa.

feel free to direct me to another thread btw...... or maybe i should read the second page of olins thread!.

glenster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretations_of_Genesis

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Isaac Newton, Watchtower, and LDS...

by cameo-d in

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* Newton believed that Pythagoras must have known about Gravity, and even
toyed with the idea of including margin notes attesting it.
* He, for that reason, did not use his "fluxions", but rather geometric proofs
which he thought would have been more accessible to geometers of Pythagoras's
era.
* He also believed that Hebrews before the Great Flood knew of the atomic
structure of matter
http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Isaac-Newton%27s-occult-studies

"Newton considered himself to be one of a select group of individuals who were
specially chosen by God for the task of understanding Biblical scripture."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies

Oh nos--another JWs leader!

"Producer Malcolm Neaum says: Newton prayed daily for the end of the world
which he believed would herald the Second Coming of Christ. This would usher in
the 1000 year rule of the Saints and Newton believed he would then take his
place as Chief Saint."

BBC Horizon Isaac Newton - The Dark Heretic part 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g4dJWL3GGw

The difference between Heaven and Hell

by glenster in

by george carlin.

in heaven.... .

and the english are the police.. .

glenster

A bigot's view of the difference beteween Heaven and Hell
by George Carlin

In Heaven...

The Italians are the lovers,
The French cook the food,
The Swiss run the hotels,
The Germans are the mechanics,
And the English are the police.

In Hell...

The Swiss are the lovers,
The English cook the food,
The French run the hotels,
The Italians are the mechanics,
And the Germans are the police!

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Rutherford's Burial

by elder-schmelder in

source - http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/bethsarim.php.

"rutherford wished to be buried at either beth-sarim or beth-shan.

on rutherford's death knorr and the watchtower society went to court in an attempt to have rutherford buried at beth-sarim.

glenster

I'm going to guess no. But if it did, it didn't work. He's have been Judge
jerky by then (not unlike in life).

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Foxnews - "Russian Navy claims sightings of UFO's and aliens living under the sea! WTF!

by Witness 007 in

foxnews today - {another bullcrap story} siberia's lake baikal the worlds deepest lake.....military divers chased "a group of humanoid creatures dressed in silver suites".....3 humans died during the chase.

six objects followed a sub in the pacific...when the sub surfaced so did the objects, which then left the water and flew away.. anyone see the movie "the abyss"........drugs are bad!

mermaids anyone?.

glenster

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hat tipping is of Satanic origin and it causes divorce

by lilyflor in

hat tipping and rising when a woman leaves the table or enters a room......wt52 april 15 qfr.

i dare say satan's ways are as mysterious as god's.

(i now have to wonder if letting a woman on or off the elevator first is part of satan's schemes).

glenster

The JWs leaders were just reaching to justify their claim of exclusiveness
again with their hat tipping gimmick, but somebody actually still believes this:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_allowed_to_tip_their_hat_to_a_woman

In the most basic sense, a tip of the hat is just a customary greeting. It
has nothing to do with whether or not the person believes in God or is ethical
or not. The female equivalent could be any customary greeting, that's all. It
wouldn't have to be a curtsy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat_tip
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418F0ZM76CL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Standing when a lady enters is likewise just a cultural trend in manners, a
way people show they respect each other, which vary in time and place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manners

Sometimes I think that if the JWs leaders were at the GTA message boards,
they'd try to make their mark by making posts about the dangers of Bigfoot and
Leatherface in Back o' the Beyond.

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since when did Jehovah become a common name?

by lilyflor in

growing up in the troof, my mom used to tell me that no one else in the universe had the name jehovah.

i remember her even recounting an experience where a catholic couple wanted to name/baptize their son jehovah and the priest counselled against it.

now i see all sorts of people with the name jehovah, on facebook, in the news and even in other languagues (the portuguese version jeova).

glenster

So I guess Jumpin Jehosaphat isn't from the Bible either? Life just gets too damn complicated.

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I need some good sriptures & reasoning to refute Jesus = Michael Archangel

by androb31 in

i have a lot of good stuff at home on the subject but i'm at work and could use some help for a friend who was just conversing w/ a jw..

glenster

What I have on it is on pp.6b to 10, with the section on Michael in the bottom
part of p.8, at the next link:
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/

If I was the editor of the Bible and needed you to think Jesus was Michael, I
would have written it with several simple differences and there would have been
no mistaking it.

No "no one was with me" for creation in the OT, no Logos or aka Jesus
(wouldn't you think an angel sent to earth would keep the same name?) or
attributing qualities or names of God to him, no "eigo eimi"s, no wisdom
literature with God's own wisdom personified and sent to people (something the
JWs leaders claim nobody could have understood at the time....)--I'd have
archangel Michael was with God and was sent to people, etc.

It gets schizophranic in Revelation with Jesus here and Michael there--what is
this, the Patty Duke Show?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQTqKcojrVY

When Jesus and Stephen were threatened with rocks, I'd have them say "I'm
Michael" or "I'm talking about Michael" to have them put down their rocks.
They didn't have a rule to kill you because you were or saw an angel.

I wouldn't have people worship/do obeisance to a "god" or pray to him, or
have him referred to as the Lord of the "one God and one Lord" Shema or have
Thomas exclaim the Shema at him. Prayer and worship were among the ways
followers in 1st cent. Judaism indicated belief in the one God.

In related history, the JWs leaders' version people would have been taught by
Jesus and the apostles but strangely non-committal and disappeared right away--
but not before changing a bunch of "Jehovah"s to "Lord"s in the various
territories the originals were written in and spread to, with the agreement of
the followers in those various areas.

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JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

by OnTheWayOut in

i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

i don't want to harp on each point.

glenster

The Bible has been tackled by about any angle of belief or non-belief by a
huge number of people for nearly thousands of years.

So when the JWs leaders claim to be the only ones qualified to make the rules
about it, that they're of a literal 144,000 of the Bible and that this
exclusiveness is established by 12 or so rules that are substantiated by the
best evidence and reasoning, common sense should tell you to hear both sides of
the trial, and weigh evidence against gossip, before rendering judgment--and why
the JWs leaders would discourage their customers from doing it.

It's not because they're the only ones who want you to believe in the Bible.

PS--I just replaced the dead links at my web site.
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/

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When in 1935 did Rutherford ban saluting flags, singing natiional anthems, and serving in the military?

by glenster in

1935 saluting flags and singing national anthems and serving in the military.

were banned by rutherford.. ("jehovah's witnesses in the divine purpose," 1959, pp.143,144).

http://www.freeminds.org/history/dates.htm.

glenster

Here's what I found so far:

According to "Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose," 1959, pp.143,144,
in 1932, JWs didn't salute the flag of Germany, the USA, or Canada (it doesn't
say why other than due to allegiance to God, but I'm guessing it was due to
Rutherford's teaching of June 1 and 15, 1929, that the higher authorities of Ro-
mans 13 were God and Jesus, leading to ideas that human government was too
worldly, in an expanded idea of "worldly," and even controlled by Satan).

On June 3, 1935, Rutherford said he wouldn't salute a flag because doing so would
be to ascribe salvation to it (actually, it wouldn't be a matter of ascribing
Biblical salvation to it) and be unfaithful to God (it wouldn't). On Oct.6,
1935, during a radio broadcast, "Saluting a Flag," later published in the book-
let "Loyalty," he added that it would be worship of an image or representation
in disobediance to Ex.20:4-6 (it wouldn't--the Exodus section is meant as a ban
of worship of a thing rather than God, idolatry, not serving a country symbol-
ized by a thing).