Posts by jamiebowers

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Just when you think you are getting better...

by Princess Daisy Boo in

i have been thinking that i am over it - i am ok - i am not angry anymore, but after a conversation with one of my best friends today, well i am not sure.... my husband comes from an anglican/catholic background.

we, however, as a couple are not religious at all and have never tried to take our kids to church or sunday school etc.

i sometimes feel that we should be giving them some attempt at a christian education, but i cannot bring myself to go to a church.

jamiebowers

I've been out for 20 years too, and sometimes I lose it, as well. If you think you need therapy, then go for it, But don't beat yourself up for being human. The longer I am out, the more shocked I am at what a cult the WTB&TS really is. I think that is normal.

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So now I'm disgusting? What?

by heybaby in

another experience that i wanted to share: ok, this happened to me a few years ago.

i was between jobs, and i decided to use that time to auxiliary pioneer.

i had never been able to do it before and i was very excited.

jamiebowers

I thought he was going to say something nice or encouraging like 'glad youre'back or let me know if you need any help.' What the Hell was I thinking? Instead he came up to me and said, 'yeah, I heard you were reinstated, let's hope you keep it that way.' and walked away.

Well, it looks like you didn't "keep it that way". Good for you. These guys are a**holes with a title, and that's all they are.

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just a typical marital counseling session?????

by oompa in

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so how did it go some have asked?

at some point the lady therapist asked me what was probably my number one concern....it just came out...."i don't know if i can stay married to a jw"...wife burst into tears...and never let up...not even on the way back to drop me off at work...i also said in session i would prefer an open minded wife, and i don't think wife would pick me now either...not an unbeliever, not an overdrinker, and that marriage to me meant being able to share pretty much everything with one another, my feelings, my friends, my concerns, and that i did not like living a double life...and explained what that was too......she of course said she would stay in the marriage, and mentioned the adultery only rule...so i said it sounds like she feels she is stuck with me...she said it sounds like our marriage is already over....the lady says she does know for a fact that jw's do indeed get divorced without sex sins...cause she has counseled more that one couple like us...one in, one out....that ended with divorce.

i did say nice things about her...said the things i love.....and vice verse...and we both said we wanted the marriage to work....so at least a good basis for continuing the sessions.....the lady wants us to find common ground and just ignore the religious difference for now...i said great but how can we do that when the religion is all encompassing to my wife...it is everything....i will be glad to go to the ground if she can find it....but she never got a chance to find it yet...we ran out of time.

jamiebowers

IMHO, your wife needs to understand that you were probably born bi-polar, but being a jw just aggravates the condition. Smarter minds than mine will have to help you sort this all out, but it seems to me that your wife is pretty unyielding. What I'm wondering is exactly who is the head of your household? As a jw woman, she has no business dictating to you who you see or who you have over to the house as long as it doesn't involve an adulterous affair. I don't believe such now, but what's fair is fair. If she doesn't want to make friends with anyone other than jw's in accordance with WTB&TS doctrine, then she should follow the headship arrangement, as well,.

Why exactly is it that when I wouldn't accept my jw husband's physical abuse and threats, I wasn't submitting to his headship, but your wife can tell you who to see and where to go without being accused of the same thing? This is all bullshit, as far as I'm concerned. You should have the upper hand in this relationship if she's as good a jw as she claims to be.

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Relationship Rescue (or how Dr. Phil got me out)

by Gladring in

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i was going to post this in the thread about what one comment helped you see the light but it became a bit too long and i thought the subject might be interesting in it's own right.

i've been hanging around for a while feeling like i should tell my story and this thread has caught me at a good time.

i was born in to the religion, baptized at 15, reproved at 17, married at 22, ministerial servant at 25. i'd had questions in my late teens and twenties but i convinced myself that i loved jehovah and wanted to stay and so i squashed those feelings.

jamiebowers

I don't particularly care for Dr. Phil, but I think it's great that his book helped in your marriage and made you see the truth about "the truth". Can't wait to read more of your story. Welcome to JWD!

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So now I'm disgusting? What?

by heybaby in

another experience that i wanted to share: ok, this happened to me a few years ago.

i was between jobs, and i decided to use that time to auxiliary pioneer.

i had never been able to do it before and i was very excited.

jamiebowers

You don't want to know my story about what elders told my abused sister.

Since you mentioned it, why, yes I do!

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So now I'm disgusting? What?

by heybaby in

another experience that i wanted to share: ok, this happened to me a few years ago.

i was between jobs, and i decided to use that time to auxiliary pioneer.

i had never been able to do it before and i was very excited.

jamiebowers

I had a few nasty experiences with ms's and elders. One ms told me these 3 things:1. My jw husband was homosexual and would surpress such and stop physically abusing me if I lost a few pounds. 2. He enjoyed looking at my behind, (I was always a fat bottom girl, so apparently, he was an ass man). 3. I should encourage my mom to continue pioneering instead of caring for her f-i-l, who had cancer. An elder told me that if my abusive jw husband followed through with his threats of killing me, that at least I'd be guaranteed a spot in the new system.

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Found an old picture of me

by Wordly Andre in

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as many of you know i left the jw's back when i was 15, i found an old picture of me during that time so funny to look back, i thought i'd share with you what a little apostate looks like he he he.

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i wonder why i was labled bad association for the youth?

jamiebowers

I wonder why I was labled bad association for the youth?

WOW, what a cutie! If you are gay, they were probably afraid of you leading the boys astray. If you're straight, they were probably afraid of you leading the girls astray. Last possibility; cute as you were, you were too old for the congregation's most popular pedophile.

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Some questions about WT sources

by witnessgirl in

something has been bugging me for years and years, and always bugged me when i was an active witness.

i've never mentioned it before and i've never seen it discussed.

like with a lot of other matters, i just assumed that this meant that i was missing something that everyone else understood.

jamiebowers

IMHO, it is more important to question the WTB&TS's accuracy in quoting than their information sources. There have been many posts on here that prove that the society quotes out of context.

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Some Advice .... for an UBM

by MrsBee in

my husband is a dfd dub even though he still believes all the crap.. .

we have a discussion yesterday where i basically said i feel like i was bamboozled because i didnt really have the option to choose.

if i had the choice, knowing what i know (growing up around a lot of jws in my life) i wouldnt make the choice to marry into the religion because i think its wacked, lol .

jamiebowers

It has been recommended many times by many people on JWD, but let me do it again. Read Steven Hassan's book, Combatting Mind Control. I've just started reading it, and it gives many helpful tips in dealing with someone who is under the control of a cult. Page 170 even has a section on dealing with people who have been kicked out of a cult. I got my copy for about $8 including shipping from amazon.com . Good luck!

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The NWT

by jamiebowers in

the first article describes a linguist, and the second one contains his critical views of the nwt:.

http://www.andovertownsman.com/townspeople/local_story_198151856.html?keyword=secondarystory.

http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/byington.htm.

jamiebowers

The first article describes a linguist, and the second one contains his critical views of the NWT:

http://www.andovertownsman.com/townspeople/local_story_198151856.html?keyword=secondarystory

http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/byington.htm