Posts by jamiebowers

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Was the Verdict of the Candace Conti lawsuit a Win-Win for the WTS?

by rip van winkle in

why did the wts not try to settle this lawsuit before going to trial as they had so many times previously?

was it presumptiousness on the part of the society's lawyers and gb?

had this been settled it would have hardly caused a whimper.. it got me to thinking that although the verdict of $28 million is unheard of, it may actually further the wts to make their claims that they are the only true religion.. reason being- if the monetary award is overturned then they will say it was jehovahs will.

jamiebowers

The real issues as far as I can tell was did the WTS have a duty of care in the case, because it happened before manditory reporting was law. They also

have a clergy privlidge issue that I dont think is a winner, but could win.

The child molestation in many of the lawsuits won against the Catholic Church happened before the mandatory reporting law was enacted. And the clergy privilege issue was decided by a California case in the Gilbert Simental criminal trial. It was decided that there was no clergy privilege, because the molester's confession was related to the Watch Tower's service or legal department, (I can't remember which).

When the elders in the Simental case still refused to testify, the Murietta prosecuting attorney brought charges against them for failure to report child molestation accusations in a state where it is mandatory. The elders cut a deal and testified in exchange for the charges being dropped.

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Interesting conversation re: sexual abuse issue

by Doubting Bro in

i may be outing myself so i'm changing some minor detail but i wanted to relate a recent conversation over the sexual abuse issue.

i was at a party, er, gathering this weekend and there were several folks that i haven't talked to in awhile there.

so, i sat down at a table with several other guys and the conversation went like this:.

jamiebowers

I run the megan's law registery every six months, you should too.

That's all well and good, but think about something. What about the molester that's never been convicted but has confessed to the elders? The Gilbert Simental trial has already proven that elders do NOT always report to the police, even in mandatory reporting states.

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Any Ex-JW's in the Nashville TN area?

by Jehovah_Loves_Us in

jw
friends

hubby and i da'd last year and we are so glad that we did.

however, we are hoping to meet others that have left in and around the nashville area.

we are in our 30's and have two small children, however age really doesn't matter.

jamiebowers

I know an ex-jw in Nashville, but he doesn't post here anymore. I'll send him this thread on FB and ask if it's okay to give you his contact information.

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Woman jumps into pool during Long Beach DC!

by puffthedragon in

jw
friends

http://youtu.be/dht3cedgg6e.

watch the right hand side of the screen.. .

i am trying to imbed it but can't make it work.

jamiebowers

Watch to the very end. Was that the same woman coming down the steps? It looks like she took her shower cap off the second time if it's the same woman,

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Scouts Canada About To Release Report Regarding Sex-Abuse Related Firings

by Wolfy in

i find it interesting that they hired a third part (kpmg) to do a forensic examination of their files.

the scouts had to pay out 18.5 million back in 2010.. .

"the files gathered from 1965 to 1985 came to light when they were used as evidence in a landmark oregon ruling in 2010 that the scouts had failed to protect a plaintiff who had been molested by an assistant scoutmaster in the early 1980s.

jamiebowers

"When the organization's child and youth protection policies and practices were recently challenged, Scouts Canada took an honest, open and transparent approach that confronted both the good and the bad of its history," the organization said in a news release Friday.

It would be such a relief if the Watch Tower did the same thing. But those dirty bastards will have to be forced to do it. Hopefully, the more lawsuits that are filed, the more likely courts aren't going to give the organization a choice in the matter.

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Let's work together to make the internet a little less JW friendly!

by Miah in

jw
friends

this one's important, we need as many people as possible to help.

wot (web of trust) is a website rating site that is used by millions of people as a browser plugin.

no need to make anything up, tell it like it is.. http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/watchtower.org.

jamiebowers

Marked for later.

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Missing family dearly

by Freeof1914 in

hey people it's been a tough couple of weeks for me, my wife and i have seperated i expected this, but it has been much more difficult than expected.

my family has gotten a million times more distant because of my inactive status and questioning ofthe org.

i do have wordy friends but still feel pretty bad being alone i have even contemplated returning to meetings for the sole purpose of not losing y family and life, but i cannot fathom the thought of bowing down to their rules and sacrificing my own integrity.

jamiebowers

I'm sorry you're hurting, but it will get better. A word to the wise, though. If you have children and they are minors, you have every right to see them on a regular basis or even have joint custody. I know of many ex and exiting jws that don't feel worthy of raising their children. If this is your situation, please don't make that mistake.

And as far as your wife leaving is concerned...she's never going to be good for you unless she changes her brainwashed state. Look man, I'm sure you didn't stop being a jw so you could become a Hell's Angel. She has to know that there are things about the WT that bother your conscience. If that's not good enough for her, then she's not good enough for you. The same goes for parents, siblings and any other family members.

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Why the Watchtower Can't Drop Its Appeal

by Diest in

i don't think the society can afford to drop this appeal.

1. if they loose their appeal it opens them up to huge amounts of liability.

they need the courts to come down on their side of the clergy-penitent confidentiality issue.

jamiebowers

1. If they loose their appeal it opens them up to huge amounts of liability. They need the courts to come down on their side of the clergy-penitent confidentiality issue. They also need the court to rule that they cant be held liable for the actions of a member who held no position of authority at the time of the incident.

I agree that the WT probably won't drop the appeal. However, that being said, the clergy-penitent confidentiality issue was already ruled against in the Gilbert Simental criminal trial. It was decided by that judge that there was no privilege, because once the jw confesses to the elders, the information is passed onto the WT. I'm not a lawyer, but I know that the burden of proof is heavier in a criminal trial than it is in a civil one. Since it has already been established in the Conti civil trial that the WT advised elders, I don't see how in the world the WT could ever have any court, appeals or otherwise, rule that the organization can't be held liable for a congregant's actions.

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