You're one of those heroes, Mav. I salute you...
*huge hug*
essie
"Though you may disappear,
you're not forgotten here,
and I will say to you,
I will do what I can do."
~Peter Gabriel
they brought tears to my eyes..here are the sites.. .
http://www.agapenetwork.org/tribute.htm.
http://mikhaelskyrender.tripod.com/flash/tribute.html.
You're one of those heroes, Mav. I salute you...
*huge hug*
essie
"Though you may disappear,
you're not forgotten here,
and I will say to you,
I will do what I can do."
~Peter Gabriel
farkel when you said that a picture of a watchtower portrayal.
of d&d existed in one of their publications... just the other day.... of actor will smith (or someone looking exactly like him) existed,.
and to let you know if i found it.... well, a compatriot in denmark scanned it and put it on his website.. look at lower right corner.. striking resemblance!.
ya know, I remember this picture. I never forgot it, and I was 26 when it came out!
John Lithgow, though? I thought it was Anthony Hopkins!
And what is with the leather pants on the guy writhing on the ground? He looks like he belongs in Frankie Goes To Hollywood or something!
And you're right, Thirdson. What a waste of a fine Buick automobile. I bet Circuit leasing took a dunking on that one. Guess god's cars don't get saved at Armaggedon. Or maybe that car didn't have the opportunity to get recruited, er, converted to become a CO's car? I thought cars with the right 'engine condition' would survive the great day of God the allmighty?
Man, I am in a wicked happy mood today :)
Top o' the morning to ya, ladies and gentlemen.
love
essie
p.s. edited to add "Looks like the "big giant head" couldn't save a damn soul." ROFLMAO April!!!
the day after armageddon.
hey, maybe it won't be so bad after all!.
april.
OH great. The blind will be healed and the first thing they'll see is...THAT?
This is just why I used to say when I was a JW that if we were supposed to go back to nudity in the new system that God himself was going to have to ask me to hand over my Victoria's secret skivvies. Cause, damn.
It's going to be a long thousand years to reach perfection, ain't it?
shocked and dismayed, but laughing anyway *lol*
essie
dear friends,.
i'm new at this place.
but for the last few month's i've been a regular visitor and reader.
Well this post put a smile on my face! Great way to start the day :)
Thanks, HappyDay for posting and reminding all who post here that their input does make a difference in the lives of others!
Take care and keep talking...that is what will help you get the perspective you need to finish putting it behind you.
*hug*
essie
i've been mulling over this and i'm finding that its common with several of my extended family who were raised in the org.
- seems that the feeling of never doing enough for the org.
( to obtain a place in the "new system" ) has spilled over into other areas of our lives.
Hi Lydia,
Yes, I and just about every woman in my family, or friend I ever had in the Borg suffered from this. I think it's a fall out from trying to 'put on the new personality' for so long that you can't believe you could ever be good enough for anything, or anyone.
It does go away. It takes time, and everyone goes at their own speed. I highly recommend books by Dr. Phil McGraw, Cheryl Richardson and Iyanla Vanzant. I also HIGHLY recommend a book called The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. These books helped, along with a LOT of reassurance from my second (non witness) husband, helped to heal my heart and start rebuilding my self esteem.
I wish you luck with this, it's a hard thing to beat.
*hugs*
essie
"Though you may disappear,
you're not forgotten here,
and I will say to you,
I will do what I can do."
~Peter Gabriel
he just told me this today.
he only received his separation papers a few weeks before the attack on the wtc!
he says (due to his past training and rank) if they guarante him ranger,he will return!
Awww, ((((((((((((Tina))))))))))))) I can only imagine how scary it must be to have a child in the military during peacetime, let alone now :/ You're the kind of mom I hope that I can be when my daughter is grown: the kind who offers support and unconditional love! Thanks for giving me somebody to look up to (the photo negative of my own mother, who wants it her way or no way!!!)
Let us know what he decides okay? My heart is with you and him either way.
Love ya much big sis,
essie
"Though you may disappear,
you're not forgotten here,
and I will say to you,
I will do what I can do."
~Peter Gabriel
"although the terrorist attack was horrific, but i must admit its exciting!
" said one jw elder i spoke to on the phone yesterday.. he said that there was a sister that has been a jw for more than 50 years that said "at last, something is hapenning.".
(btw, he told me that most congregations in the us have been instructed that when talking to people, they should not bring up the issues of blood or neutrality.
"At last, something is hapenning."
That is exactly what my Mom said. She said she was excited because she can finally believe that she will get to see my Grandfather again in the resurrection.
Just sickening...
essie
"Though you may disappear,
you're not forgotten here,
and I will say to you,
I will do what I can do."
~Peter Gabriel
for those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!
graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.
carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.
Our little contrite sillinesses we talk about here seem so mundane to their daily plight for a scrap of food for themselves and their children.
Isn't that the truth! When you read about these types of human rights violations it makes you grateful that you can leave the organization, shunning be damned! At least we don't have to die to get out!
I just can't understand an all-powerful God allowing these attrocities to continue for so long. These men spew their religious beliefs like we should all tremble in fear of them and their god...how can they commit these unspeakable things and still claim to have such a pure religion.
*HUG* I know just how you feel. I've been asking myself these questions for a long time. I have known for some time about the conditions in Afghanistan and similiar countries where men rule as gods and women die every day.
Or some just have their faces mutilated, like the woman I read about in last months Glamour magazine. It's disgusting.
As far as how "God" allows this, I don't know. This is what fuels my agnosticism these days. I just don't think that a loving God could allow such things to go on for innocent children.
I just don't know. But I do know this: zealots are zealots and anyone who says that they are the only ones with the Allmighty's approval...scare the hell out of me.
An extra *hug* because I think you can use one.
(((((((((((((Had Enough)))))))))))))))
essie
"Though you may disappear,
you're not forgotten here,
and I will say to you,
I will do what I can do."
~Peter Gabriel
back in the 60's virginity was in.
the wt magazine even went so far as to refer to single non-virgin women as being "like a towel that anyone can wipe their hands on" and featured a pic of an ashamed looking women with a dirty towel behind her.
how could a man contemplate marrying such a woman?.
Hey E-man! :)
All I can tell ya is, on my first wedding night we were both virgins, and let me tell you...he didn't know anything then and never learned anything in seven years *lol* True story here for your enjoyment: I'd never seen a naked man before my wedding night, and I literally had to bite my lip to keep from laughing out loud *lol* I just couldn't believe what I was seeing *roflmao* I definitely should have had more sex education.
I think the 'grass is greener' thing might be true in some cases. But people also have that in 'worldly' (sorry, only word I can think of here) marriages where they've both had plenty of experience before. Some people just aren't monogamous.
The only two men I've been with are men I've married, and there is no 'grass is greener' mystery for me. I know how lucky I am :) But really there never was, even in my first marriage. I didn't leave just because he was bad in bed. I left because he mistreated me.
My JW sister is still to this day so livid that I didn't "wait" for marriage with my second husband before consummating. I told her that I wouldn't ever again marry a man when I didn't know how he was going to treat me.
My second husband is younger than I am but wasn't a virgin either, and he has no complaints ;) Of course, he was never a JW and so has no sexual hang ups at all. What a difference.
My ex husband, meanwhile still can't see me without having to comment if I change my hair, get a new blouse, etc. He still looks at me in a way that makes my skin crawl.
I think that the big issue with virginal marriages failing isn't even necesarily the 'grass is greener' thing, but that JW kids marry because of raging hormones and don't really know who they're planning to spend their lives with. It's the morning after when the problems really begin.
I'm rambling? Am I rambling? *lol* The subject of sex still makes me giggle.
*hugs*
essie
for those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!
graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.
carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.
Thanks, Tina, for helping to bring awareness to the horrors suffered by women in Afghanistan. It is truly sickening to know that in the 21st century that this mideval attitude towards any human (either sex) still exists.
This quote really struck me, taken from the article Inside Afghanistan: Behind the Veil: Speaking of undercover journalists who covered this story:
[quote]They were helped by an underground women's group, the Revolutionary Association of Women of Afghanistan (RAWA), which runs secret clinics and schools for girls.[quote]
Yet another new definition of the word "hero" for me. Can you imagine the courage it takes to operate an underground network like that in the land of the Taliban? A new definition of bravery for me as well.
When you realize how bad things are for these women, who truly have no way out, it makes you grateful that so many of us live in countries where we can leave a man who abuses us, get a divorce, work hard and build a new life, as many of us have.
So many women don't have that chance. It really causes me to want to implore women who are tolerating abuse in this and other more liberal countries to get out. Use the help thats available. You know that if these dear women had any of these options, they would use them and not think twice.
Abuse is abuse...wherever in the world you are. I just have to say it in case any lurkers are living in fear and pain...if you're being abused, please, get away!
*hugs*
essie