hopefully this topic won't shock anyone, i'll try to keep my comments as tasteful as possible.
just recently (last weekend) my younger brother met with the elders because he was engaged in fornication.
the elders decided to disfellowship him even though he had long stopped having any contact with the person he had been involved with.
while I never called you stupid, I apologize anyway Frightmare. Even if I disagree with someone there is no call to be rude.
I deleted the content of my above post. Everyone has a right to speak their mind here without being berated. My apologies. I'm not having a good week and my temper is short.
Esmeralda
i am really really upset right now.
i just got off of the phone with my jw sister, who lives in seattle.. she just recently moved there last summer when she married her husband, tim.
lara, my sister, is a jw and her husband is not.
You may also try quoting from the Sicksiety's website in which they say something like, "Dfing does NOT sever family ties."
Oh yeah! I'm gonna print that and then shove it so far up my ex's...well you know, if he ever pulls that "you shouldn't have dealings with your df'd daughter" thing on my mom again. He not only wanted to keep my family after the divorce (and succeeded to a large extent) he isn't happy unless he has them and I don't
What a sicko.
Meanwhile, awwwww circe and Dedalus you're so sweet. It's so nice to be wanted! *lol* :)
love ya
es
hopefully this topic won't shock anyone, i'll try to keep my comments as tasteful as possible.
just recently (last weekend) my younger brother met with the elders because he was engaged in fornication.
the elders decided to disfellowship him even though he had long stopped having any contact with the person he had been involved with.
*edited to remove rude remark* and my apologies to Frightmare. That was uncharacterist for me. Sorry.
es
hopefully this topic won't shock anyone, i'll try to keep my comments as tasteful as possible.
just recently (last weekend) my younger brother met with the elders because he was engaged in fornication.
the elders decided to disfellowship him even though he had long stopped having any contact with the person he had been involved with.
Oh, and PS, about gays/lesbians...I have always felt, even when I was a JW that there was no way that this was a 'lifestyle choice'. I've known too many gay people who were tortured by it to think that they'd choose it. That saddens me so much.
Would you condemn me for having blue eyes and not brown? I couldn't choose my dna programming there, just as I believe that people are born what they are, heterosexual or otherwise. No one has any right to judge. To me love is love, and marriage is marriage no matter the configuration. I don't like promiscuity (brings disease and unwanted pregnancys, etc) but I have respect for anyone who can maintain a monogomous relationship for many years. I know many gay couples who fit that bill just as well as traditional ones.
I'll get down off my soapbox now :) It's just that prejudice bothers me, in any form.
es
hopefully this topic won't shock anyone, i'll try to keep my comments as tasteful as possible.
just recently (last weekend) my younger brother met with the elders because he was engaged in fornication.
the elders decided to disfellowship him even though he had long stopped having any contact with the person he had been involved with.
In fact I hate to admit it but the only reason I chose to get married was to be able to enjoy sex without violating bible principles.
I bet that you speak for the majority of young JW men. I would bet money that is the exact reason that my ex husband married me. He was 21 and I was 19.
I remarried in 1999. The man I married is younger than me by six years. He was not premiscuous by any means, had one 'serious' girlfriend in High School. But he definitely didn't marry me for sex, and we are extremely happy, well matched and no troubles in the bedroom either, thank you very much!
I think that you take these factors and get a disaster every time:
hormones+ someone who must be okay cause they sit in a KH=married too soon/too young/wrong person= eventual divorce.
What a mess.
Sex is the biggest of all 'shaming' issues that most if not all religions use to keep people in line. I'm not premiscuous, I'm monogomously married, but I'm not ashamed of my sexuality anymore either. It's the only way you can live a normal life.
SEX IS NORMAL, PEOPLE!!!! Sorry just had to shout that. *lol*
Good luck, Leander.
essie
one very happily married woman :)
ok.. for those of you who may not know me from previous posts, all i can say is this is unusual for me and please do not judge me as a person for it.
for the other friends who know me by such, please take this into consideration when you read this.
i would like to get some feedback on this, perhaps from some of the folks from the martial arts threat joel started recently, especially if you have also read my other posts.. (hopefully a well balanced combo).
I'm not speaking to anyone in particular in this thread or judging anyone, just sticking my view out there:
Anyone considering acting out like that has to just think about one question;
Is it worth killing someone's child over?
What if your car, or the other involved hit an innocent family? What if you got shot at, and the person missed and hit someone else? Would you be able to live with that on your conscience?
So many people carry guns anymore, that even though I can't drive anymore (due to my balance/perception problems) I feel very strongly about this issue. My husband carries the cel phone and if someone was following him, he'd call the police.
There is no point worth making with a car. It's a weapon that weighs thousands of pounds, and anything can happen. Nothing like that is worth dying, or killing for.
I know of a case personally where a guy had a fit of road rage, ended up hitting another car. He took away the father of several small children in that instant, and he went to jail for it.
Not worth it in my book.
Just my 2 cents. Drive safely ya'll
essie
i just learned about the society's connection with the un and i'm shocked.
i had been experiencing doubts before but this new information is like a slap in the face.
before i begin with the questions i should probably start with a introduction.. i'm a 29 year old married man serving as a minsterial servant in the south suburbs of chicago.
I just wanted to say hi to you Leander and welcome you to the board (along with apparently a lot of other newbies that I've missed greeting, sorry folks! Glad you've stopped lurking and started talking)
I can really feel for what you're going through. Our past histories sound similiar only I was the girl married to a servant and I was the one with doubts. His father was the PO so it only made things harder, and I had a baby to care for as well.
You are in the hardest place right now, I think. Being in limbo is harder than actually making the decisions, at least it was for me. Once I could see my way clear and knew that getting out, getting a new life was the only way I could survive, I threw myself into that and let the card fall where they would.
I'm three and a half years past my divorce and three + since my df'ing. I've been up and down the rollercoaster as so many here have. You're at the top of the hill right now, looking down and scared of the fall, and you've realized (or will realize soon) that you're on the ride, you can't get off, and there is nothing you can do but hang on and ride it out.
Follow your heart. You're right, life is too short to spend so unhappy, especially at only 29. I was 26 when I got out and when I turned 30 this year, I was glad that I didn't waste another year to do it.
There is happiness and freedom on the other side. Sure there are things you may lose (friends, family members if you have JW relatives) and that is hell, make no mistake. But I wouldn't trade the life I have now for the one I had...ever. Have never imagined going back for a second.
Keep talking and hang in there. You'll be okay in the end.
es
my husband and i have a friend who credits the lord with every good thing that happens in his life.
he is really a nice guy, unmarried, no kids and is now in remission from non hodgkins lymphoma (again, credit to the lord).
what do you think about people who credit the lord for every good thing that happens to them?
Hey Mulan,
Good for you for standing up to the chick. I would have had to say the same thing you did. And as far as this quote:
When I said "they are all the same", I meant RELIGIONS are all the same. They all think they have the corner on salvation. For me, I am through with religion.
Well said, girl! You totally summed up in one short, beautiful paragraph the way I feel about religion. I'm going to copy and paste that so I remember it when my family preaches at me *lol*
Love to you and Princess
*hug*
es
i'm half asleep and half watching the west wing, the special episode about terrorism.
well the josh lyman character is stuck in a high school where he was giving a lecture, and he asks the kids to think and fill in the blank to this question:.
"muslim extremists are to islam what _______ are to christianity.".
I'm half asleep and half watching the West Wing, the special episode about terrorism. Well the Josh Lyman character is stuck in a high school where he was giving a lecture, and he asks the kids to think and fill in the blank to this question:
"Muslim extremists are to Islam what _______ are to Christianity."
After a couple incorrect answers from the teenagers, one says,
"Jehovah's Witnesses?"
Josh responds something like, "No, Right Wing extremism might not be your cup of tea, but those people aren't blowing anything up."
Finally he responded that the KKK was the answer to his fill in the blank, that the extremists have as much to do with Islam as KKK members have with Christian faith.
Anyway, just thought that was interesting that of all the groups they could have named, they picked JW's.
This is probably too boring to bother mentioning lol, not in my right mind tonight. on another MS downslide and off to bed. night all
essie
edited for correction: The group of students was apparently touring the white house, not at a school. My mistake. Told you I was alseep LOL
someone the other day, i believe it was essie, asked if there was a ribbon color for child abuse.
i did a search and found it, in fact i found several.. here's the list:.
red- aids awareness.
Oh yeah, Joel. I'm game. I was surprised by the purple cause I thought that was only the poster color for gay pride? I don't know, educate me please! *lol*
Oh! And while you're at it, what's up with earrings? I remember hearing in the 80's that right ear meant straight, left was gay, and both was, well...bi coastal? LOL Is there any truth to any of that?
I've never had the guts to ask that of any of my friends. Lucky you, you get to answer LOL.
Oh, and I'm LMAO about your Hoss remark in the other thread. You're a peach, Joel. Thanks for the laugh today, really needed it.
love
essie
