Posts by Marcel

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Are ex-JW still gullible or serpent-like?

by BEROEAN in

just wondering if ex-jws find it hard to trust others since their bad experience or are they still gullble souls?

just wondering because some of the stories i read about past experiences are off the charts!

some of you, your childhoods, your parents are seriously jacked up!

Marcel

some of us did not had much of a chance. if you're raised in a dubby enviroment some things look different.

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DID YOU DEDICATE YOURSELF BEFORE BAPTISM OR DID YOU LIE?

by free2think in

i was just wondering when you where going through the questions for baptism did you know you had to dedicate yourself to jehovah before hand or did you lie?.

i didn't know i had to so when i went through the questions i had to lie and say i had.

i always felt bad about it afterwards and quickly did a little prayer that night.

i dedicated me several times 'cos it never felt appopriate... not sacred enough... me on a chair (i used it as some kind of altar lol) in my room at the age of 14.

additionally i had a big problem with my raging hormones back then. praying a life dedication and doing the wrong, wrong, wrong within the next 24hours didnt felt right to me. i managed to be abstinent for a long period before baptism which costed all my strength but got weak again 2 days before baptism. i felt so sick on that day getting baptized. ive a recording of my baptism talk but i NEVER listened to it. i have almost only bad feelings about that day.

BUT, i had dedicated myself.

i always wondered why you can be dfed when you NEVER dedicated yourself in the first place. when the elders try to shun someone he could lie and say he wasnt never dedicated. lol. would be chaos :D

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To hell with weither jesus existed what about david and solomon?

by 5go in

if there was no david, and no solomon why was there to be a messiah to be the heir to their empire that never existed.. .

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/david.htm.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/solomon.htm.

Marcel

i dont think they were fictional and in fact i doubt the sources you posted highly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David#Historicity_of_David

if you believe the wikipedia there actually ARE archilogical evidences which support davids existence.
whether his life was exactly like described in the bible is another thing, but i believe he existed. i also believe jesus existed.

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Since we're on the topics of the Assemblies...

by forsharry in

question.

i'm not sure if this has ever been brought up before (probably has) but something just occurred to me...why were there always dubs guarding the donation boxes outside out of the conventions (in the hallways.)?

i mean i know the obvious reason behind it...very north korea-esque if you ask me, but we were told over and over just how special and christian and different we were from the world.... i'm looking for your theories on this.

Marcel

i was security special attendant several times too and on my assembly everything seemed to be badly organized.

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JW Jargon

by Scully in

i mentioned in an earlier post that i had a visit the other day from a former friend, a jw woman, who wanted to invite me to the district convention on the weekend.

i almost got the impression from her casual dress that it was a social visit, until she whipped out the tract.

one thing that i noticed was her trying to soft pedal the jw jargon that is practically second nature to jws.. she talked about how one of her kids was "gone" for a few years, but had recently "come back to us" and that she was happy to have her child's company again.

Marcel

this special language jws have was always getting on my nerves.
so many JW-only words or words with a very special meaning in jw terms...

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Jewish dating system

by Doug Mason in

features of the jewish dating system are provided at the jewish genealogy site "jewishgen.org".. the site includes a limited gregorian/hebrew date converter, which tells me that 1 tishri 5675 was 21 september 1914.. http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm.

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/m_calint.htm.

doug.

Marcel

i dont get the sense of the post. is it supposed to prove/say something?

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quick question

by Missanna in

if you got married while a witness... did any of the elders come to you and talk to you about the right and wrong sexual acts you can perform??

just curious.

.

Marcel

what does it mean to "never been able to have penetrative sex"?
door locked? how? it doesnt seem to be a physical problem? a kind of phobia?

i believe many jw wives suffered from that because of the second cause of that problem.
but i never heard of it either.

ive heard that toys thing too. it all sounds like men being in fear of her deedledoo not being enough. i dont want to know how many JW couples ever obeyed the rules. i guess they just decided to have no sex at all. lol.

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Out of the Family...

by saywhat29 in

literally and figuratively.... if you don't know my story, its the basic "i'm gay and from a family of jws" and lately it hasn't been going well.

i'm still saving up to move out, but that "meeting" i was suppose to have with the elders is scheduled tonight.

it was scheduled tuesday night but i dodged that bitch hard.

Marcel

@saywhat
about your last paragraph:
yes i couldnt understand that either until i was in the very same situation. humans need ppl to talk to when they're in trouble or they die, at least emotionally. if theres noone you can talk to without being seen of minor value and in need of reprehension and without any chance of real love and free dicussion (plus shunning if you dont repel) it just makes you feel lonely. and since we are a very social breed it hurts us much. too bad christian religions try to exploit that.

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Lurkers! How do you put up with it?

by PopeOfEruke in

i just cannot understand how any one in their right mind can read the experiences here concerning the wachtower society's false claims, lies, trickery and deceit, and the example shown by the so-called "elders" in treating the flock with disdain and cruelty, and still stay a jehovah's witness.. lurkers, how can you do that?

do you simply dismiss all the evidence?

have any of you experienced such evil acts personally and still stay connected to the jw's?.

Marcel

it so simple to see the evidence and dont take actions...

just say EVERYONE here on the forum is an evil apostate who hates jehova and jesus and is likely in spiritistic connection to satan himself at least unconsciously. additionally EVERYONE is like satan himself: thrown out of paradise, angry and want lure others into death too. of course every apostate knows exactly that the JWs have the truth but hate it because they hate god and do not want to serve him. since they are satans childs who is the inventor of the lie every word they say is a hateful lie.

this all drives the apostates to create complex and even truthful looking LIES (with the help of satan of course) to destroy the faith of the holy ones. satan sometimes look like and angel of light, thats why some evidences look truthful.

every evidence is a lie and as more it looks like truth the more it is a lie - finally it proves that the bible and the JWs are right, because this is the fulfillment of the prophecy that the true christians will be hated by the world just like noah.

its perfect.

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Out of the Family...

by saywhat29 in

literally and figuratively.... if you don't know my story, its the basic "i'm gay and from a family of jws" and lately it hasn't been going well.

i'm still saving up to move out, but that "meeting" i was suppose to have with the elders is scheduled tonight.

it was scheduled tuesday night but i dodged that bitch hard.

Marcel

hey saywhat29!

im not gay, so its hard for me to relate completely. but your post is heartbreaking... i feel for you buddy. even if the JW may be right this behaviour is so incredibly wrong. sadly the average JWs use the bible to justify their hateful behaviour.

about that suicide thing. i can feel for you again. i was a perfect dub and all my family and friends are dubs. my doubts nearly killed me. all that doubt, that fear of armageddon, fear of losing all my friends, being lonely and even not fitting into that world outside (even though i dont believe dubs doctrines im still much of a dub in behaviour) is painful. my wife hated me because of my thoughts. even my wife, the person who said she loves me forever gave me any comfort when i needed it most. so lonely, incredibly lonely. screaming with all heart in search for relief. on one or two occasions i felt like becoming literally crazy because i wasnt able to bear it. thinking of being dead as a perfect solution but just fear it too much. in some occasion someone would have just needed to hand me a 9mm and i would not hesitate.
the fact that i could not speak with ANYONE about my feelings was so incredible hard for me... there are no words for that.

but you know what? it goes away. it comes again for sometime but if you fight against it it will be better. and sometime you'll be healed. and if not try a psychologist. they are trained for that. they CAN help.

but one need to want it. want to get over it.

you'll manage, man, im sure.