i apologize in advance if this has already been discussed here.. at my daughter's pioneer meeting they were told that leaving literature in phone booths and laundromats is "littering".. since when?
anybody else heard this?.
libby
Farkel, you said
Yes, this is true. This is true because leaving WT literature ANYWHERE is littering. Even house-broken cats have the common sense not to use it.
The magazines do have uses. I have seen roll-your-own cigarettes made using the pages of the WT
esther
i am floundering!.
today my jw son told me that he had seen an email in our family account written to me from an exjw.
it contained very little, but enough to let him know that i was in contact with outsiders about my doubts and feelings.
LMR, the first thing I would do is close that particular email account down and delete the messages, so no evidence is available. Then I would go to the elders yourself, as suggested, with a minor doubt. Maybe you could say that you have been depressed and that led you to have doubts, and you could say, truthfully, that the doubts are resolving themselves. Remember, strategic lying to the enemy, you don't have to say which way your doubts are resolving themselves. Do not admit to any wrong-doing. You have not done anything wrong, because you have dedicated yourself to Jehovah, not the organisation. The organisation has told us many times that we only have to tell the truth to people who have the right to know. It may be hard to do, but try watchtower doublespeak. Remember, we are here for you.
esther
i have put in my final day at this year's test of posterior endurance---saturday at the district convention, 2001. i took quite a few notes today, because some had specifically asked about saturday's program.
i hope all will be suitably edified by them.
do not just listen to bits and pieces of the program, but to the whole thing.
LMR, you have done a marvellous job. At least we have your terrific comments to liven up the talks. I am so thankful that I won't be going to any more conventions. I feel for those who have to go. It is bad enough when you think it is the truth, but it is worse when you know it is all a lie.
Now we do not know the names of those 2 sisters, but we do know the name of the lawyer---J. F. Rutherford!
I just wonder how those sisters would have felt if they had known that the literature they placed would enable a misogynist to become the next president of the org.
esther
woe to those who stumble the least of these .
"let he who is without sin cast the first stone" .
[note: this is a sickening story, and goes to the heart of why many youth among jws end up leaving their religion.
I did not know that masturbating was a disfellowshipping offence. It shouldn't be. But even if he had done something worse, a 14 year old is not old enough to sign a legal contract, so according to worldly authorities, cannot be held to one. The WTS as ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to disfellowship a 14-year-old. The child was just doing what came naturally, anyway. It is not as if he deliberately flouted the WTS's inane laws. To put a child in the intolerable position of not being allowed to have any friends at all is wicked. No, it is downright evil. [>:(]
esther
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the district convention is 2/3 done.
would have been better to have stayed home and pulled out my fingernails.
they spouted the usual crap, using the inter-organizational social pressures to push the r&f to do more, do more, do more.. they warned about pornography.
Wow, Stephanus
They told all the wives that the “brothers” who are doing the peek-a-boob, are on “late at night or early in the morning”. Now the wives will be doing the watching for the big “O” and keeping the “brothers” pure as the driven snow.
You mean the wives aren't in subjection to their husbands anymore, but maybe the other way round?
esther
when i first started to look into the teachings of jesus, i went out and bought a couple of books to help me.
i bought a bible dictionary, and a bible commentary.
when i looked up " pharisees" in my bible dictionary, it said "see jewish parties".
Somebody, I don't have a Bible dictionary, but my Oxford dictionary says: "Pharisee n one of ancient Jewish sect (cf Sadducee, Essene) distinguished by strict observance of traditional and written law, held to have pretensions to superior sanctity; self-righteous person, formalist, hypocrite;" I think that is a pretty accurate description, also familiar.
BugEye, bring the wine, we'll crash it together
esther
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amazings justice points brings me to this point.
elders truly believe that they are appointed by gods spirit.
so when they appoint someone who is:.
Ripley, welcome to the board, glad you made it. Did your dad think he was chosen by holy spirit?
Ozzie, thanks for your confirmation. It is possible that the CO said 'all five elders' and that I just assumed it was the whole body. I am not sure, because it was just part of a whole heap of information. It stuck in my mind, though, because it seemed so unbelievable. As I said, the CO was pointing out the wisdom of 'waiting on Jehovah' for things to be cleared up. That 'waiting on Jehovah to clear things up' rubbish is probably one of the reasons it takes so long for people to leave the WTS
esther
when we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of god's children, black men and white men, jews and gentiles, protestants and catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of that old negro spiritual, ''free at last!
free at last!
thank god almighty, we are free at last!''.
I agree with Logical.
amazings justice points brings me to this point.
elders truly believe that they are appointed by gods spirit.
so when they appoint someone who is:.
A CO once told us (a group of pioneers) about an experience he had had. A couple of elders took a dislike to one of the brothers in the congregation, so they concocted evidence to disfellowship him. The brother appealed the decision, and patiently attended all the meetings, preparing his WTs etc. I am not sure of the exact steps, but eventually the CO was one of the ones called to fix the problem. The result was that the entire body of elders was disfellowshipped.The Co told us this when he was encouraging us to "wait on Jehovah" to put matters straight, not to deny that the elders were chosen by holy spirit.
esther
a sin worse than apostasy .
there was a very nice young couple in our congregation with one child.
no one could see why she should not be reinstated.
The poor sister must have so much love and patience in her heart to wait to get reinstated. How she must have suffered, and just because of the spite of intolerant, unbending elders. How dare they put "Not to be reinstated." on her card. What happened to the only unforgiveable sin being sin against the holy spirit? How does anyone dare to judge whether someone has committed the unforgiveable sin. I am so angry about this injustice.
esther
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