Posts by FusionTheism

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It came in today's mail

by Virgochik in

it came today, the dreaded envelope containing my personal copy of "return to jehovah" from my elderly, desperate mother.

it included a small note asking me to read it over and to let her know what i think.

she got it at her assembly.. firstly, i'm angry that she continues to push her religion on me, given that i stopped attending meetings over thirty years ago, and very offended that she assumes that i still want to be a witness, which is her choice of religion, not mine.

FusionTheism

If you truly think your Mom's health would be at risk, or your relationship would be ended, I don't see the urgency here for why you need to confront your Mom?

Why not just throw away the literature just like you do with junk mail or unwanted magazines or flyers or spam email?

Whenever you speak to your Mother, discuss anything besides religion. Redirect the conversation to family life, tv shows, movies, books, politics, world events, news, jokes, games, entertainment, gossip, music, work, exercise, health... Whatever you would talk about with a Non-JW friend.

I see no reason to confront an elderly person and tell them their religion is wrong or tell them to stop sharing things with you.

I would just view it like relatives who give you gifts at the holidays that you don't really like, and will exchange later, but you're still polite and kind to the gift-giver.

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David Splane: The Catholic Church brought the Gospel into China!

by FusionTheism in

quotes from the new david splane "1900 years" video:.

"the catholic church took the preaching work more seriously than the reformers... who brought the gospel into china?

... it was the catholic church.".

FusionTheism

Faye,

That is a superb point I didn't even catch before.

If the Catholics who were obeying Jesus in the past 1900 years WERE actually of the anointed, that would require a huge new shift in the Society's 144,000 doctrine.

The Society would have to come out and say that the number 144,000 is symbolic like all the other numbers in Revelation.

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David Splane: The Catholic Church brought the Gospel into China!

by FusionTheism in

quotes from the new david splane "1900 years" video:.

"the catholic church took the preaching work more seriously than the reformers... who brought the gospel into china?

... it was the catholic church.".

FusionTheism

It definitely looks like "New Light" for the Governing Body to say that the Catholic Church was preaching the Gospel message and was obeying Jesus' Great Commission.

In the 1980's, 1990's, and early 2000's, I only heard Witnesses, Elders, and Circuit Overseers say the very worst things about the Catholic Church, and they NEVER said the Catholic Church was ever teaching the true Gospel or obeying Jesus.

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David Splane: The Catholic Church brought the Gospel into China!

by FusionTheism in

quotes from the new david splane "1900 years" video:.

"the catholic church took the preaching work more seriously than the reformers... who brought the gospel into china?

... it was the catholic church.".

FusionTheism

Vidiot,

Good question.

In my mind, I see this kind of like "How To Train Your Dragon 2" or "Jurassic World" where the Governing Body sees Pope Francis as the New "Alpha" of all Christianity, so they want his blessing.

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W 15 july - members of others religions not destroyed???

by paradisebeauty in

please tell me what do you understand from this quote that is taken from w july 2015, the article your deliverance is close paragraph 5.. i understand that not all members of other religions will be destroyed at armageddon.

i talked to a jw.

he says he understands differently: they will not be destroyed when the babylon the great will be destroyed but they will be destroyed in armageddon.

FusionTheism

ParadiseBeauty,

I'm in the minority opinion on here, but I believe this is actually New Light.

If you look at the Simplified Edition of this article, it says that it's unlikely that many from Babylon would repent and be saved, and we shouldn't expect many to do so.

But this is definitely New Light, with them saying there is the POSSIBILITY to repent after the Tribulation starts.

The Old Light was that the Door of the Ark closed at the Outbreak of the Tribulation and all not inside the Organization at that moment were doomed.

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David Splane: The Catholic Church brought the Gospel into China!

by FusionTheism in

quotes from the new david splane "1900 years" video:.

"the catholic church took the preaching work more seriously than the reformers... who brought the gospel into china?

... it was the catholic church.".

FusionTheism

Quotes from the New David Splane "1900 Years" Video:

"The Catholic Church took the preaching work more seriously than the Reformers... Who brought the Gospel into China? ... It was the Catholic Church."

"The point of this is not to malign any of these people. We don't know how Jehovah viewed them. We don't know whether any of them were of the anointed or not, and just had problems understanding the Bible. We've had problems ourselves."

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The Governing Body was Appointed in 1971, NOT 1919

by FusionTheism in

statements from the watchtower publications show that the scriptural governing body did not exist until 1971!.

watchtower, 01/15/01, pages 28-31:.

these questions were answered at the annual meeting held on october 1, 1971. on that occasion, one of the speakers pointed out that the governing body of the faithful and discreet slave preceded the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania by hundreds of years.

FusionTheism

Summary of the above:

They are saying they didn't realize that humans appointing members of the governing body instead of Jesus was wrong until 1971.

It also says Jesus appoints Governing Body members by holy spirit NOT by Watchtower people voting on them.

This means that any governing body that existed BEFORE 1971 was Appointed by HUMANS not by Jesus.

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The Governing Body was Appointed in 1971, NOT 1919

by FusionTheism in

statements from the watchtower publications show that the scriptural governing body did not exist until 1971!.

watchtower, 01/15/01, pages 28-31:.

these questions were answered at the annual meeting held on october 1, 1971. on that occasion, one of the speakers pointed out that the governing body of the faithful and discreet slave preceded the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania by hundreds of years.

FusionTheism

Statements from the Watchtower Publications show that the Scriptural Governing Body did NOT exist until 1971!

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Watchtower, 01/15/01, Pages 28-31:

These questions were answered at the annual meeting held on October 1, 1971. On that occasion, one of the speakers pointed out that the governing body of “the faithful and discreet slave” preceded the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania by hundreds of years. (Matthew 24:45-47) A governing bodywas formed at Pentecost of 33 C.E., more than 18 centuries before the Pennsylvania corporation came into existence. At first, the governing body consisted of, not 7 men, but 12 apostles. Evidently, its number was enlarged later, for “the apostles and older men in Jerusalem” were taking the lead.—Acts 15:2.

In 1971 the same speaker explained that the members of the Watch Tower Society could not vote in the members of the anointed GoverningBody. Why? “Because,” he said, “the governing body of the ‘slave’ class is not appointed by any man. It is appointed by . . . Jesus Christ, the Head of the true Christian congregation and the Lord and Master of the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ class.” Clearly, then, the members of the Governing Body cannot be voted into office by the membership of any legal corporation.

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Watchtower, 06/01/2001, Pages 17-18:

Later, the issue of December 15, 1971, more clearly identified the modern-day Governing Body in the article “A GoverningBody as Different From a Legal Corporation.” In 1972, bodies of elders were appointed to provide help and direction for the local congregations.

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Did JESUS Choose a MANMADE RELIGION?

by Cold Steel in

if jesus was enthroned in 1914, and if he inspected all of the earth's religions in 1919, choosing the wtbts as his, then wasn't he choosing a religion that was manmade?

if he didn't choose it until 1919, then what was the watchtower organization in 1918 or, for that matter, in 1914?

and what happened to the church jesus organized when he said anciently, "i will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"?.

FusionTheism

Cold Steel,

Great, Great point!!!

If Jesus didn't appoint the Slave until 1919, and He didn't start inspecting the different Christians on earth until 1914, then that means the Watchtower Society before 1919 (or definitely before 1914) was NOT directed by Jesus or Jehovah.

The Society before 1914 was MAN-MADE just like every other church (according to the Society).

And according to two talks given by David Splane on tv.jw.org, the early Society misunderstood the Bible just like the churches did, and Charles Taze Russell was deeply into Pyramidology, and the Society misunderstood all the Types / Antitypes.

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Reasoning on the New "1900 Years" JW Theology (from David Splane)

by FusionTheism in

inspired by the three recent threads on david splane's new video declaring, among other things, that there was no faithful slave for 1900 years, and there may not have even been any genuine anointed ones during those years, i decided to make this post.. here are the three previous threads on this topic:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/337200001/david-splane-address-bethelites.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/323160001/new-david-splane-video-no-1900-year-faithful-slave.

FusionTheism

Plus, how do we even know Charles Taze Russell was a genuine member of the 144,000?

How do we know Joseph Rutherford and his associates were chosen as the Faithful and Discreet Slave in 1919?

Being released from prison is NOT evidence of anything.