Posts by Alpaca

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Bookstudy and the United Nations

by bud2114 in

wondering if anyone else is taking advantage of the subject matter being covered these past few weeks at the bookstudy (revelation climax book) regarding religion's association with the blasphemous scarlet colored wild beast (un organization)?

this week especially does the book get into religion's "heinous" involvement with the un with the wt society's writers even sarcasticly poking fun at other religions who have supported the un.

i, for one, have been taking full advantage of this grand opportunity to "witness" to as many j-dubs as possible about the wt society's secret 10 year involvement with the un and subsequent coverup.

Alpaca

The NGO affiliation of the Borg is one of their most reprehensible acts. The bastards have blood on their hands.

Years ago (1970s) there were untold numbers of Malawian Dubs who were executed for following the directives of the Borg to not buy a 25 cent political affiliation card.

The Borg leadership is truly living a life of delusion thinking that they can do no wrong.

I have been out for almost 11 years so I can't really do anything to contribute to enlightening Dubs about the NGO scandal, but I hope that any of the active Dubs who are posting here or just lurking and reading on this site take Bud's suggestion seriously. The Borg needs to be held accountable for their duplicity and deception.

Good luck with the undertaking you guys. Please keep us updated on any success that comes from the effort.

All the best to everyone,

Alex

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The Chautauqua Institute is a "must experience" for you seekers....

by Alpaca in

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hey all,.

several years ago, when i was in one of my really "sour on religion" phases, some of my post-borg new friends introduced me to the chautauqua institute, near jamestown n.y.. this is one of the coolest places on the planet.

the institute was started by some methodist ministers in the 1800s as a forum for dialogue between religion, hard science, and the social sciences.

Alpaca

Hey all,

Several years ago, when I was in one of my really "sour on religion" phases, some of my post-Borg new friends introduced me to the Chautauqua Institute, near Jamestown N.Y.

This is one of the coolest places on the planet. The Institute was started by some Methodist ministers in the 1800s as a forum for dialogue between religion, hard science, and the social sciences. All summer long they have some of the most outstanding speakers you will hear anywhere. There is even a place for agnostics and atheists at the Institute. Man, talk about tolerance!!!!

Wherever you live, you need to plan a trip to the Institute at some point.

Here's a link to their website and their summer schedule.

http://www.ciweb.org/schedule.html

Cheers to all,

Alex

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JUST SOMETHING I would like to know

by journey-on in

1) how many of the gb's (and other higher-ups in the org) children, grandchildren, great-children went to college, which universities they attended, and what were their majors and other studies?.

2) how many of the gbs and/or their children and grandchildren (some are old enough to have grown grandchildren, i'm sure) are major stockholders or serve.

on the board of directors for corporations that have some association with the jws.. 3) how many of the gbs and/or members of their families own companies that service the needs of the watchtower society?.

Alpaca

Nope. Not kidding!!!

I should have gotten off the bus then.

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Do You Find Anything "Logical" About Religion?

by minimus in

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is there such a thing??

?.

Alpaca

Is religion itself logical? No. Is the fact that religion has such tremendous influence logical? Yes. From a purely evolutionary standpoint – religion is logical because of the primitive development of some of our mental capacities. The tendency for humans to invoke supernatural explanations for misunderstood natural phenomena is a vestigial relict reaction that we carry from our primitive ancestors. Forgive me for bringing evolutionary biology and paleontology into this discussion but I think it is appropriate. In the field of paleontology there is the concept of “juvenile” and “mature” species. Juvenile species are those which never reach their full evolutionary potential before they vanish from the geologic record. On the other hand, mature species reach their full evolutionary potential by adapting to many different environments or niches, radiating into many varieties, and persisting in the geologic record over vast periods of time. IMHO, humans are a juvenile species that has developed in a rather disjointed, uneven manner. We are like gawky teenagers, with all of this power to do things, but without the mental development or wisdom of years to control the power. The human brain has the capacity to think beyond superstition, but our thought processes (as a species) are developmentally stalled at some remote spot in our ancient past. It is frustrating to those who can rely strictly on empirical evidence to explain phenomena in our world, when religion still seems to have such uncanny control over people. I fully agree with you guys who have said that religion is a mechanism used to deny our own mortality.

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JUST SOMETHING I would like to know

by journey-on in

1) how many of the gb's (and other higher-ups in the org) children, grandchildren, great-children went to college, which universities they attended, and what were their majors and other studies?.

2) how many of the gbs and/or their children and grandchildren (some are old enough to have grown grandchildren, i'm sure) are major stockholders or serve.

on the board of directors for corporations that have some association with the jws.. 3) how many of the gbs and/or members of their families own companies that service the needs of the watchtower society?.

Alpaca

I've wondered some of the same kinds of things.

There definitely seems to be an "in-group" within the Borg hierarchy that has tentacles that extend beyond the physical boundaries of Bethel.

My ex-wife's family were kind of peripherially connected to some of the more influential people in the Borg. It just always seemed like there was a group at the core around whom everything revolved. Additionally, I don't care who you are, if you have financial control over hundreds of millions of dollars, you're view of the world is altered.

When I was a kid, I remember seeing Knorr and some of the other GB arriving at a DCs in limos. When I asked an elder and his wife why they didn't show some humility and drive a VW like many pioneers did, I was told that they were the future kings who would rule the earth and that they deserved to be treated like royalty.

What a load of shit!!! But, that is what I mean about the inner circle living the high life at the expense of the R&F.

Cheers to all,

Alex

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The end of the end- your thoughts?

by JimmyPage in

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so what does everyone think of the wt info from the past year comparing the time of the end to israel's escape from egypt?

it said (paraphrasing):"the wt may even give specific instructions that seem to lead us into the face of danger just as the israelites were led to the red sea with their enemies pursuing them from the other side.

" also what do you think of the past two year texts- "obey god as ruler rather than men" and "stand firm and see the salvation of jehovah"?

Alpaca

By the way....

Welcome to the JWD, Jimmy.

Alex

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The end of the end- your thoughts?

by JimmyPage in

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friends

so what does everyone think of the wt info from the past year comparing the time of the end to israel's escape from egypt?

it said (paraphrasing):"the wt may even give specific instructions that seem to lead us into the face of danger just as the israelites were led to the red sea with their enemies pursuing them from the other side.

" also what do you think of the past two year texts- "obey god as ruler rather than men" and "stand firm and see the salvation of jehovah"?

Alpaca

Hey Jimmy,

Same shit, different year...

Although, I do think that there was a time when they backed up their predictions with somewhat plausible Bible chronology (in the 50s, 60s &. early 70s). With the abandonment of the 1914 generation living to see the GT, that is all gone. Now their arguments are based on a very thin veneer of wishful thinking that barely obscures the fallaciousness of their logic.

Many of the elders I knew when I was still in were very logical in their thinking and I can't help believing that, if those kinds of servants are still on-board, they must be struggling mightily to suppress their doubts about the Borg's claims of being God's channel.

Maybe I am being overly optimistic, but I really think that the Borg is on the long (maybe, short), slow (maybe, fast) slide down into disintegration. It has happened to other Fundy religions and they are not immune to the effects of the internet and other soures of information that can blow their cover.

All the best to everyone and here's to getting the Led out,

Alex

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Retraining our WT-controlled minds - THE GAME 2

by Lady Lee in

i thought this might be a good way to help many of us to see the absurdity of some of the wts/jw rules "principles" .

women can't wear pants to meetings or service or i've heard even to go clean the hall.. what scriptures would the elders use to get a jw to conform.

you don't need to quote whatt he scripture and i certainly have no desire to do that but if you have the quotes handy feel free to post them.. the rule principle.

Alpaca

Forget the issue of whether or not women should wear pants.

The real issue is how women are pigeonholed by the Bible and Christianity (at least the version espoused by the Dubs). There were a bunch of intelligent women in my old congregation but they were never given the opportunity, within the mechanics of the Borg's rules, to make a meaningful contribution that could have truly benefitted everyone.

Women should enjoy equal status with men, period. The Borg leadership's continuation of this absurd, antiquated, and unjust domination of women is just one more piece of evidence that they are bogus, phoney, and perverse.

I am almost finished with a law degree and I am exposed daily to women attorneys and judges who epitomize the great contribution women make to our society.

If you put the Borg's leadership in the same room with some of the women I know, without the Borg's goofy rules, they would be shitting their pants.

Sorry, just had to vent. All you women out there.....YOU GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Alex

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New Here

by *Incubus in

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hi guys,i appreciate the welcome you extended my little sister(firefox).ive been out for 10+ years but still like reinforcing my lack of faith in all that is dub related..... .

i havent heard from my sister in a few days,im a bit worried shes getting pressure about her research.so hopefully shes still reading....

Alpaca

You will find a little of everything here....

Some kindred spirits, some whacked out posters, some ramblers, some philosophers, some really intelligent people, some bitter and crushed individuals, some of everything...

It's all good. And, best of all, you will be accepted warmly.

All the best on the journey,

Alex

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How have you benefited by leaving the WT Organization?

by Quirky1 in

this is just a curious study.

i would love to get everyone's input on how each individual or couple has benefited from leaving the jw/wtbs as well as how their life is currently vs. being part of the organization.. eyes wide open .

quirky1 .

Alpaca

Peace...I have peace. It is the greatest degree of peace I have ever had.

The peace I feel is the result of finally being intellectually honest about science, the role of humans on the earth, and the logic of evolution as an explanation for things.

I have grown mentally, more in the 10 years since I've been out than in the previous 30 years while I was in. College was definitely the most enriching experience of my life to date. I am so thankful for being able to go back to school as a middle aged man and succeed beyond my wildest dreams. It has been great.

Peace and Cheers to all,

Alex