misocup

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  Let Kids see Dub Grandparents or?

  by brunnhilde in

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  18 years ago

  my mom and dad love my son, but i also know because of the depth of their brainwashing, they won't be respectful of my parenting (as i've asked them) and will try to "plant seeds" with him.

  he's only 7, loves his grandma and papa very much and is easily confused and distressed when he gets conflicting info.

  since we left the dubs, we've had a couple different run-ins with my parents trying subtle and not so subtle means to get at my son, or more accurately, get at me.

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  misocup 18 years ago

  Yes by all means let him see them. Just de-program after.

  I left when my children were 3 and 6. they are now grown. When they were little, my mother would cut my sons hair, take them to meetings, have bible studies with them. But I also told them about all of the other religions out there and that Grandma believes what she believes and that's her business. It's a matter of having open communication with your kids.

  My kids are not involved with any religion, and neither am I. They don't think the JW's have the truth, any more than any other religion. They have a very healthy attitude toward spirituality and other peoples belief systems.

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  I just got back from my circuit assembly !

  by 5go in

  1. watchtower
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  18 years ago

  ok i have listed all the intresting and thought provoking things.

  hear they are from a to z.

  <----------- yep nothing.. .

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  misocup 18 years ago

  I have seen many inactive ones despite receiving enocouragement, invites to gatherings, invites to home meals, visits and so-on but still remain spiritually lazy.

  Here's what is really happening. Those judged by you as spiritually lazy are just trying to be kind in accepting those invitations. Jehovah gave humans the ability to reason, on their own, and therefore do not need men dictating every thought, every movement, every sentence to them. To say the JW's reason from the scriptures is completely false. The GB rationalize from the scriptures, then write it down, then tell all of the R&F what to believe, how to act, what to think, what to wear, and who to accociate with. The GB rationalize from the scriptures in order to prop up their absurd rules. Those who are in the org, are not thinking for themselves, that would be a sinful act would it not? To think for oneself and perhaps disagree with anything the org says might cause a real problem.

  So, the ones trying to get away, fade, escape, will be polite about it. They will accept invites, or not, they know what you are doing, but they do not want to be rude, or cause problems especially if they have family still in. You are misreading the events, they are not 'spiritually weak', (an observation that is in no way your business, or within your scope of authority to decide) they are trying to withdraw from a toxic organization.

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  Snopes says toasting, clinking glasses has nothing to do with superstition

  by under_believer in

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  18 years ago

  http://www.snopes.com/food/rituals/clink.asp.

  excerpt:.

  each of those explanations is false.

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  misocup 18 years ago

  I've always heard it's from midaevil (sp) times when people used to try to poison others all the time. If you clinked your glasses or mugs together, that would make the liquid slosh around into everyones glass and mix it up. The theory being that if you had just poisoned one of the mugs, the poison just sloshed into your mug.

  I've never heard of it as pagan to ward off evil.

  http://www.german-toasting-glasses.com/information_library/glass_clinking.html

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  Name a few stupid things you're not sure of ?

  by JH in

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  18 years ago

  gee, i don't even know if it's safe to use a cell phone in the bathtub.....

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  misocup 18 years ago

  *** sry to hijack

  what?

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  Name a few stupid things you're not sure of ?

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  18 years ago

  gee, i don't even know if it's safe to use a cell phone in the bathtub.....

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  misocup 18 years ago

  Would Metallica have become such a crappy band (after the black album) if James Hetfield had never sobered up?

  Maybe Metallica was never a good band after Dave Mustane and Cliff.

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  Now we have our famous apostate to compete with Prince

  by reneeisorym in

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  18 years ago

  http://www.nbcsports.com/ufc/1170834/detail.html.

  fight of a lifetimenate quarry never played a sport until his 20s; his next challenge is a comebackby mike chiappetta.

  nbcsports.composted: mar.6, 2007, 3:48 pm est.

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  misocup 18 years ago

  Those Jws and their strict policy of not resorting to violence. Darn them from keeping that young man from joining a sport that consists of smashing the opponents face in with your fists. How dare them control his mind by pounding in Christ teachings concerning how we treat others! Those wicked, wicked people. Thank God he is free from there benevolent influence, now he can do what he enjoys....beating the crap out of people in the ring!

  c'mon agapa... one of us --- one of us --- one of us

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  A truly whacked out scenario

  by Jourles in

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  18 years ago

  i was just reading a news article and this jumped out at me for some reason(this isn't a political thread!):.

  another traveler, khadija tawfek mouhsin, said his brother was killed last year en route to karbala, but that he was determined to make the journey.

  "the terrorists give us the chance to go to paradise," the 39-year-old shiite pilgrim said.. my mind went to work on the word "paradise" and what we(exjw's) used to picture paradise as being.

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  misocup 18 years ago

  I had already made up my mind that if I was unfortunate enough to survive armageddon I would blow my own head off.

  Finally-Free, -- You'd probably have to chop your head off with a plow share, no more guns.

  Let's say you are resurrected under WTS rule on earth.

  I thought they used to teach that the resurected would be given a short time to convert and if they didn't, Jehovah would kill them.

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  The fastest scripture looker upper

  by SacrificialLoon in

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  18 years ago

  a comment by rubadub in the thread about learning new things at the meetings made me remember something, and gave me a chuckle.. i would always see how fast i could look up the scriptures during the talks, and race to beat most everyone else.

  of course everyone else didn't realize i was racing them, but i'd always feel a smug (and perhaps a bit self-righteous) satisfaction at having the scripture looked up and ready to follow along while from the sights and sounds around me most everyone else was still looking it up.

  being able to look up jehovah's word with such speed would surely earn me spiritual brownie points.

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  misocup 18 years ago

  The secret is that JWs only use a small portion of scriptures in their material. After 30 or more years of hearing them over and over, I knew what they said.

  That would be an interesting research subject. How many actual scriptures do the dubs use? Is it the same 90 or so all the time?

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  Your opinion on my really important question, please.

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  18 years ago

  does a jw upbringing simply confuse a child or is it really damaging?.

  i have no doubt that a jw child is, at least, confused with life.

  in my own case my wife brings up my 2 children (aged 5 & 2) as jw`s.

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  misocup 18 years ago

  Does a JW upbringing simply confuse a child or is it really damaging?

  Most definatley damaging. It took me 10 years to really understand about their horrible beliefs and the anger about wasted childehood and adult life without a career. (I was sure I'd see Armageddon in '75). Now I'm 47 and have grandchildren. I am just thankful I did not raise my own children in that mess. I am only now learning how to relate to 'worldly' people. I've spent much of my life wondering what 'normal' behavior is since the society dictated every action, and associate, I never learned to socialize properly.

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  Jesus' Tomb... Has it been found?

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  18 years ago

  it's a long shot to prove such a thing... i'm curious how this will pan out.. .

  http://time-blog.com/middle_east/2007/02/jesus_tales_from_the_crypt.html.

  february 23, 2007 6:55 jesus: tales from the cryptbrace yourself.

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  misocup 18 years ago

  Keeping money-makers film-makers out of the equation will be useful; In my opinion, expect at least 10 years' delay to run tests, replication & verification by other scientific teams and result interpretations.

  On the other hand, for accuracy, one must not allow religious groups to officialy interpret forensic findings.

  So true.

  Please note that invoking a mitochondrial DNA test (as oposed as a the more powerful genomic or nuclear DNA) on two individuals -Jesus and Mariamene e Mara- is NOT indicative of their marital status and a biological relationship remains inconclusive, as testing the mitochondrial genome can only prove if two individuals are related by common descent through maternal lines only from a common ancestor and is thus of limited value, for instance: it could not be used to test for paternity such as a father/daughter relationship.

  True, DNA cannot prove marital status, but the position of the two ossuaries suggests the two individuals were married to each other.

  I wonder about Judah's (the son) ossuary. Why was it in the tomb? He must have died at a young age, without descendants.

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