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Posts by dawg
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My Son's Shunning begins......So Sad
by nomoreguilt inin an earlier thread i spoke of my younger son going to move in with his girlfriend, non jw.
he's 30, baptised, divorced hasn't been to meetings in three years and in good standing.
so, yesterday i had the opportunity to help him move.
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Dan says... "I'd go easy on the apostate-talk with the younger son unless you're certain that he's truly mentally out of the org"
Why? So you can stroke the feelings of one son who's acting like a tyrant; reinforce his feelings that what he's doing is correct in anyway? Clearly, shunning anyone because they see life, nay, they see God and the world differently is a wrong course of action by the one brother. The younger brother has done nothing wrong, so why wouldn't a dad take sides?
Dads, and I'm sure nomoreguilt is a good one from what he's posted, have to stick a boot in someones ass every now and then.. doesn't mean that the method has to be harsh, it can be simply telling someone how you feel, that you feel an action is wrong.
Honestly, I leave this site daily wondering how many of you can live like you do... it puzzles me that you don't feel you can speak your minds to your loved ones. You have a higher obligation to those you love than anyone else. If you know somethings wrong then you have to say so, if someone cuts you off for saying it then still you can live with the fact you did what's right. -
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My Son's Shunning begins......So Sad
by nomoreguilt inin an earlier thread i spoke of my younger son going to move in with his girlfriend, non jw.
he's 30, baptised, divorced hasn't been to meetings in three years and in good standing.
so, yesterday i had the opportunity to help him move.
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You state: "I don't want to play the one against the other. It's not my style, nor my inclination. I am just VERY upset that the older one is using this tactic without even thinking about what he is saying".
Son one says in effect "younger bro, you must think like me about the JWs to be treated like a brother"
Son two says "can't help you with that bro"...
Who here has thrown up the gauntlet, son one or son two? Clearly its the JW that has made the division... and you don't feel the need to take sides when one son is clearly wrong and hurting the other brother's feelings for no god darned reason at all? What?
How do you stop your son from continuing his abusive tactics that he'll be using until the end of times on all his family if you refuse to take a stand? I just don't get that. Generations must suffer in your family if you don't put an end to this nonsense, JW tactics work because we let them.
One sons actions are clearly wrong, and will cause generations of your offspring to suffer if allowed to continue... even though you can't control the actions of your grown sons, you have an obligation to tell them how you feel, to tell them the truth. you can be nice about it but you must speak.
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Ever wonder how seemingly smart people can be duped?
by fern indoes anyone ever wonder how their seemingly intelligent family members can be so totally taken in by this religion?
i look at my parents and just wonder how in the world do you fall for this jw crap?
neither of my parents are college educated but by no means are they stupid and have good judgement and sense when it comes to a lot of things, but not this religion.
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Someone posted this " No belief system has a monopoly on intelligence. It's not about intelligence or the lack of it".
I always disagree, so here it goes again... It shows a lack of intellect to be told by anyone that fact checking is wrong, evil in fact, and then for the one being told such nonsense to go along with that even to the point of cutting off ties to family and friends that have fact checked, and want to share what they've found out. I have too much intellect to cut off anyone I love that wants to share with me something they've learned about any subject. Including the things I presently believe.
Religion, takes away logic, period! You are told in all religions at some point that you just have to believe the nonsense they're selling-to have faith. I do not have any subject I feel the need to defend over the facts once the facts have been shown me...even long held beliefs I have had for years; once the evidence comes along that disproves them, that's it for me. I have no faith in anything that resembles religious reverence. I know I can be wrong and it bothers me not...no matter the subject.
By that very notion, the facts I've stated above is evidence against those still in the "faith"... any faith, that they are intelligent. Isn't intelligence the ability to think on your own? Do people in any religion do this (think on their own) void of defending the belief they already hold even to the point of foolishness? If they're defending something, ignoring evidence against it, then can they be intelligent? Clearly those in religion aren't intelligent if they believe that system, have no doubts at all about it, ignore evidence that clearly shows the faith is wrong, yet defend it to the point of shunning the evidence from the outside... How can anyone defend actions like these under the veil of intellect?
Conclusion, people in all faiths that follow the outline as mentioned above aren't intelligent... they can't be!
So what are we to do about it? When family members are showing signs of mental illness like all JWs do, then we have a solemn duty to care for them just as any mental patient. Sure, they function in society, so do alcoholics, maybe they can be cured... but don't kid yourselves, they have a mental illness that has cost them for the time being their intellect. I really have a hard time seeing how you guys out there can see it any differently... I'd love to hear how you get around this obvious fact. -
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You might be a Jehovah's Witness if ... (according to Facebook)
by Frequent_Fader_Miles inoh man!
i almost died reading this list from the private jw group on facebook.
usually the posts there are quite nauseating, but this topic was priceless.
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You know what guys? I actually thought this was someone making fun of the JWs until I read where some of you posted that this WAS a freaking JW... damn, what a crappy life....
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Banned from my sisters wedding
by LunaFing ini'm feeling rejected and hurt because i've just been informed that i am not invited to my little sisters wedding.
first, here's a little background story on my relationship with her: she and i are three years apart.
when we were younger we were very close (i was in the "truth" back then).
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It took me years to realize, I can't control the actions of others, I can control myself.
I've decided the best way is to reverse the disfellowshippment. To treat them like they have something wrong with them not me... and honestly, isn't that the truth?
I'd neither go to her stupid wedding, nor would I ever talk to her again, I'd explain that I refuse to be treated unkindly by someone that refuses to examine her own damned religion,and that I know for a fact, a damned fact that Wt teachings are from Satan himself. But I'm a hard ass when it comes to this stuff. -
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new
by Mandette ini just realized that i've jumped into these forums without even an introduction.
where are my manners?.
first of all i want to say that i was so happy to find this site.
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Look folks, Armageddon is BS... a tool to keep folks in line... No loving God would kill you because you got dogma wrong, from a book as ridiculous as the Bible.
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Something that always puzzled me...
by DisconnectingDrone inassume that the first 11 chapters of the bible (i.e.
gen 1-11) are correct.
if the understanding is correct that satan raised issues in the garden of eden, and one of these issues was that man can rule on his own without jehovah interfering.
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Read the Bible now that your mind is really open.... no way can any logical person some to a conclusion that any part of the creation story is true... I wouldn't waste too much time trying to understand a fantasy.
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New here, but not to being an Ex-JW...
by amama2six ini just thought i'd briefly introduce myself.
my name is april, i am a navy wife and mother of six children, will be 30 next month, and have been disfellowshipped for almost 12 years.
i was also reproved two years prior to that.
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I mean that you see through the BS... not didn't.
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rejection
by beerose inhi all, newbe here!
around 4 years ago i started a study with a jw lady.i didn't tell her this, but i was sexually abused at the age of 4 untill i was able to get away from them!
i went through life being angry,and i smoked pot so i could forget about the pain.my moms a jw and so is my brother,so i believed what they teach to be true!
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Beerose, many of us went through crap, but not as bad as you... to think about having that happen, on top of the rejection we already get form out families makes me sick. I honestly don't know how some of you guys out there do it... I wish you the best of luck. If any of us here can help, I'm sure you'll find that we are there for you....