The trinity doctrine has always been very very tough for me to grasp. I guess being raised a JW, I just didn't have the requisit foundation for understanding it. I'm still not sure how to envision it, but what I'm thinking is a pretty good analogy is (hope this doesn't sound silly to some ofyou) that it's like your computer. There's the actual (1) physical hardware, the (2) power or energy source (electricity), and the (3) programs (software). Each is a separate thing and can stand alone, but together they are the computer that CREATES and projects whatever it is you are trying to do.
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Trinity?
by BFD ini am reading the bible for the first time.
i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.
until i found jwd 31 years later.
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For Women Only
by journey-on inhah!
you guys couldn't resist, uh?.......
but, really ladies, did the women's lib movement in the 70's (and later for you younger ones) affect your attitude toward the jw admonition to be in subjection to your husband?
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I've still got that mag in a box somewhere. I saved it just for posterity simply because reading it was a turning point in my attitude. We weren't really supposed to be reading such liberal magazines, but every now and then, I'd sneak one. I guess I kind of looked at finding it as a "sign" for me or something.
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For Women Only
by journey-on inhah!
you guys couldn't resist, uh?.......
but, really ladies, did the women's lib movement in the 70's (and later for you younger ones) affect your attitude toward the jw admonition to be in subjection to your husband?
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Hah! You guys couldn't resist, uh?....... But, really ladies, did the women's lib movement in the 70's (and later for you younger ones) affect your attitude toward the JW admonition to be in subjection to your husband? I first started thinking about this policy when I got hold of a Ms. Magazine and read an article by Barbara Grizutti Harrison about her life as a Bethelite. It blew my mind and changed me forever. Do any of you remember her book, Visions of Glory about her life as a JW and how she came to leave it? That book also influenced me a great deal. It was the beginning of the end for me because it gave me courage to stand up for myself and respect my own opinions however invalid they may have been to an elder or even my JW husband at that time.
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I learned that I didn't want to raise my kids in this repressive, oppressive, suppressive religion !!!!!!!
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Going to see the elders, don't know how do drop the bomb.
by Anti-Christ ini have been inactive for about 3-4 years they want to meet with me(sure took them a long time) i'm not to sure what angle to go with.
i definitively do not believe in the borg.
any more but not too sure about the bible( still searching ).
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I see your point, Gregor.
Each personality will approach this sort of thing differently. In my past, if I had been brought before a JC (I just faded), I would have wanted to EXPOSE this creepy organization for what it is. I would have very verbally raked them over the coals. But, now, I realize that that just snaps their minds closed and all they then see and hear is a raving apostate lunatic. They won't even hear what you are saying. You need to figure out what will "leave a bad taste in their brains" (I love that phrase!) with that particular group of elders that you know.
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Next New Light??? Heaven's Doors Closed in 1935
by Elsewhere inthe persistent passage of time has forced the borg to literally redefine the word "generation" to suit their needs (it now means any group of people within a span of time that can go on indefinitely).
i'm starting to get the impression that they are going to have to do something with the 8000 or so people who insist on partaking of the emblems every year, thereby identifying themselves as "anointed" and heaven bound.
in recent years they have tried to discourage people from partaking by emphasizing that they could be crazy or diluted or puffed up with pride if they partook (don't ya just love my jw speak!?!?
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w2005 07/15 p15
7. Has the number of anointed Christians been sealed? We know Jehovah has chosen 144,000 of his faithful servants to rule in heaven (Revelation 14:3) In the past some have speculated that this number was sealed in 1935. But would this be a reasonable conclusion? Well, would it be in accord with Jehovah's righteous principles to "cut off" the heavenly calling? Clearly, it would not. (Ezra 7:24) It seems likely then that this great gathering work will continue, not only for the great crowd who have the earthly hope, but also for their brothers and sisters with a heavenly calling. (Ephesians 2:4-6) Does it not make our hearts glad when we read of Jehovah's loving provisions in this time of the end?
7(a) What have some speculated in the past concerning the 144,000? (b) What seems likely with respect to the great gathering work? (c) How does it make our hearts feel when we read of Jehovah's loving provisions in this time of the end? I've noticed that it seems like the WT lays subtle groundwork a year or two before they issue the "New Light". Here is the groundwork.......look for the "new light" coming soon in more definitive statements. The majority of the r&f will simply quint at the brighter light and go on as usual.
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Going to see the elders, don't know how do drop the bomb.
by Anti-Christ ini have been inactive for about 3-4 years they want to meet with me(sure took them a long time) i'm not to sure what angle to go with.
i definitively do not believe in the borg.
any more but not too sure about the bible( still searching ).
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Gregor........I think Qcmbr's suggestion will leave the "bad taste in their brains" better than any kind of out-of-control antics.
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My Dad died on Friday
by littlemike ini dont often post on here but lurk everday.
i was an elder for 11 years, raised as a witness from birth and eventually left in 2002 aged 42.. my dad died on friday aged 87. he was a witness baptized in 1940. he was congregation servant and then elder in hull, england.. we were arranging his funeral tonight with my 2 brothers who are still witness elders.
all they were interested in was what he had done in the "truth".
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So sorry about your father. I lost mine a couple of years ago. He, too, was in his 80's and things changed a lot after his death.
Do your brothers now speak to you? If they do and you have a close relationship with them, be prepared for another kind of "death" when you send your letter. I've found that when you finally know the truth about this cult, you just want to vent and rage and TELL SOMEBODY!!!! But think long and hard about the consequences. Ask yourself if you can achieve a cathartic release some other way without the drama that will surely be incurred once you send your letter. Writing it down and reading and re-reading it helps....I know.
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Going to see the elders, don't know how do drop the bomb.
by Anti-Christ ini have been inactive for about 3-4 years they want to meet with me(sure took them a long time) i'm not to sure what angle to go with.
i definitively do not believe in the borg.
any more but not too sure about the bible( still searching ).
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You want to lash out. You want to EXPLAIN. You want to rage at them. But, you can only do it on the congregational level and unfortunately, at that low level, they won't be effected by it. It's the upper level of the Tower that needs to be lashed out at and THEY CAN'T BE TOUCHED by you or any other r&f. They are hidden, protected, and sheltered from the local congregational rants and raves. I know this sounds frustrating and hopeless, but it's best IMO to just ignore the locals because "going out with a bang" will do nothing but make them feel even more holier than thou.
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WTS still an NGO in US?
by ICBehindtheCurtain inhi all: i came across something very interesting, in looking at this pdf there is a list of ngo's that attended for some conference on anti-semitism and guess who is on there?
if you scroll down you will find that in belgium the wts (under their european christian jehovah's witness umbrella) but if you scroll down to the us section you will find that they show up as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, so apparently as of 2005 when this conference was held, they were still an ngo, does anyone else know about this?.
http://osce.usmission.gov/cordoba/cordoba_ngos.pdf.
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They will just say it's "theocratic warfare in order to keep up with issues that might affect the organization" and the r&f will buy it and everything will just go on as usual.