whereami
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The Shelly Kagan vs. William Lane Craig debate on morality
by bohm inthis the most interesting wlc debate i have seen, it is confined to the subject: "can morality exist without god" and wlc seemed quite off balance at several times.
wlc went after kagan with his usual set of objections, paraphrasing from memory:.
without god there can be no objective standard of moralitywithout god there is no accountability and the universe eventually burn out, hence why does it matter we behave morally?what is the moral thing to do and what is the beneficial thing to do for the individual is often at odds, in the absence of god, why choose the moral thing?and so on.
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A Religious Sub-Culture That Many Americans Have Never Heard Of, Yet Which Has Thousands Of Churches Across The Country, Churches That Critics Claim Can Foster Physical And Sexual Abuse, On ABC NEWS' "20/20"
by whereami insounds like it's worth watching.. .
elizabeth vargas' yearlong investigation into the independent fundamental baptist church airs friday, april 8. .
try to imagine the pain and humiliation of a teenage girl, just 15 years old, who says she was forced to stand in front of a new hampshire church congregation and confess her "sin" of being pregnant.
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whereami
Sounds like it's worth watching.
Elizabeth Vargas' Yearlong Investigation into the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church Airs Friday, April 8
Try to imagine the pain and humiliation of a teenage girl, just 15 years old, who says she was forced to stand in front of a New Hampshire church congregation and confess her "sin" of being pregnant. She says that, not only was she forced to confess her pregnancy, but also to ask for their forgiveness - with no mention of the man she says sexually abused her. After all, she says, the pastor told her it's better than being stoned to death, as the bible describes.
That is what Tina Anderson alleged happened to her at her ultra conservative Independent Fundamental Baptist -- or IFB -- church. The IFB has thousands of congregations across the country, but many people had never heard of it... That was, until another woman, Jocelyn Zichterman, began a public campaign, armed with nothing but a computer and memories of her own alleged abuse, which she says church beliefs can foster.
And survivors are now coming out of the woodwork to say she's not alone. Elizabeth Vargas' yearlong exclusive investigation into a religious sub-culture that critics claim can foster - even cover up - physical and sexual abuse airs on "20/20," Friday, April 8 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET) on ABC.
Critics say the church teaches a strict interpretation of the bible, including the practice known as breaking the will of the child, with some advocating that it even be applied to infants as young as two weeks old.
"I had a decision to make that either I was going to kind of curl up in the corner and be quiet or I was going to stand up for my family and tell the truth," says Jocelyn Zichterman.
Pastor Chuck Phelps, the former pastor at Tina Anderson's New Hampshire church, denies Tina was disciplined by the church or that there was any attempt to cover up a crime. He declined repeated interview requests but provided a statement: "Tina was involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with Mr. Ernie Willis... Tina lied to her mother and to me about this relationship." He also said he brought the allegations to the attention of police who failed to investigate further. Ernie Willis, Tina Anderson's alleged attacker, has pleaded not guilty to sexual assault.
Brian Fuller, the current pastor at Tina's former IFB church, says all IFB churches operate independently and that his church has nothing to hide. He opened his doors to "20/20" cameras, was critical of how Tina's case was handled and denounced any abusive disciplinary practices, adding: "The Bible says that I'm supposed to love my children, I'm never supposed to ever do anything out of anger or manipulation. And that's what our people are taught here."
"20/20" is anchored by Elizabeth Vargas and Chris Cuomo. David Sloan is executive producer. -
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An exodus from faith. Deconversion from Christianity and ones eventual progression into atheism. Highly recommended!!
by whereami in"who doesn't like a good de-conversion story?
i'm sure we have all read or heard of many, but rarely have i found any as eloquent, comprehensive and deeply descriptive as this one by an ex-christian on youtube, by the name of taylorx04.. the full video series is over an hour long and covers a great many of the standard arguments used both by atheists and apologists, describing in detail the exact mental gymnastics involved in changing one's mind on a matter of faith".. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofk2qf9uurm&feature=channel_video_title.
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whereami
losthobbit, is that you in the videos?
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The Hobbit and Evolution: So What's Up With That?
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
hubby and i happened to catch an episode of "nova" last night.
fascinating stuff.
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whereami
whereami, I knew I had seen that pic, just couldn't find it. great picture, consider credit given :)
No worries bud. Just busting your chops.
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Does God speak to you? HOW?
by Quentin inan answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.
however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?
god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.
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whereami
Shelby, Shelby, Shelby.
Peace and everything but the kitchen sink to you my freind.
You know I luv ya' but I gotta say your post on how you came to speak to god and jesus just blew my mind.
That's some of the craziest sh@# I've ever heard!!! Your posts need to come with a warning.
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Does God speak to you? HOW?
by Quentin inan answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.
however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?
god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.
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whereami
Oh yeah jokes on all us Christians. God won't spontaneously generate limbs for amputees so he does not exist. yep, that proves it!
In all seriousness though, Jesus healed many people and it was demonstrated in front of literally thousands of people, as recorded in the bible and YET, only a small amount of people believed in him.
So, do you seriously think IF God did regenerate limbs for people today, that athiests would fall to their knees and become Christians? Yeah, I doubt it. What they will do is find a "scientific" explanation as to why the limbs regrew, that is what they will do. God will not get credit for it at all just like he does not get proper credit for your life, the air you breath, the universe you live in, the earth you live on, and all the extrodinary living things on this earth. Because you all choose to give credit to the fictional Mother nature.
Or, even worse, you say "Nothing created Everything".
Give me a break! Sorry GOD does not jump thru your little "test" hoops to prove his existance to you. Lilly
How could anyone possibly argue with that? ^^EXACTLY^^ startingover, I was going to address her post because she was referring to the video I posted. But I thought how can any good come out of it? How do you reason with this type thinking? The JW mindset is still hard to get rid of for some people. They just trade one delusion for another, slap a different brand name on it and wala back to where they started.
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An exodus from faith. Deconversion from Christianity and ones eventual progression into atheism. Highly recommended!!
by whereami in"who doesn't like a good de-conversion story?
i'm sure we have all read or heard of many, but rarely have i found any as eloquent, comprehensive and deeply descriptive as this one by an ex-christian on youtube, by the name of taylorx04.. the full video series is over an hour long and covers a great many of the standard arguments used both by atheists and apologists, describing in detail the exact mental gymnastics involved in changing one's mind on a matter of faith".. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofk2qf9uurm&feature=channel_video_title.
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whereami
"Who doesn't like a good de-conversion story? I'm sure we have all read or heard of many, but rarely have I found any as eloquent, comprehensive and deeply descriptive as this one by an ex-Christian on YouTube, by the name of TaylorX04.
The full video series is over an hour long and covers a great many of the standard arguments used both by atheists and apologists, describing in detail the exact mental gymnastics involved in changing one's mind on a matter of faith".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfK2QF9uUrM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_qD2n29RAM&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YegCNgqWupo&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzAlDcjDHZU&feature=relmfu
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The Hobbit and Evolution: So What's Up With That?
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
hubby and i happened to catch an episode of "nova" last night.
fascinating stuff.
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whereami
And yes, we all get the point. Science changes and that smacks of "new light" and you consider it untrustworthy. That's how science works. If you don't make mistakes, you're doing it wrong. If you don't realize you made mistakes, you're doing it wrong. If you can't admit your mistakes, you're not doing it at all.
Hey what's the big idea pal? Give credit where credit is due. LOL
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How do we encourage the science of homosexuality?
by sabastious inat one point in my life i chose to stop listening to my religion's advice to not research outside of their framework.
about the time i made that decision was when the gay marriage debate was going very strong; and still is to this day.
back then i felt like my state of california was leading the front on it to stop the bigotry and oppression once and for all.. it was a hot topic for me because i was questioning the bible and my faith so i started researching the science of homosexulality.
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Why we laugh at the Christian Right.
by whereami inyou just want to slap her silly.
the end will come if these people get there man in the white house.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v17wgtvphgg.
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whereami
You just want to slap her silly. The end will come if these people get there man in the white house.
