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  Assemblies...conventions...special days...

  by NikL in

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  there is a phenomenon in dub dom that i have always hated.

  the circuit/district convention.. people will spend hard earned money, use up any vacation they may have to travel to a city they don't really have any particular reason to see to sit for entire days and listen to the same b.s.

  they could sit and listen to at the meetings in their home kingdom hall.

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  Thirdson,

  Ah, not Rochester, NY then? I was born and raised in NY...just moved a few years ago.
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  Any other *New Light* I haven't heard about?

  by eyes_opened in

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  guess i have been out of the loop for a while!

  that post about being denied priveledges if one decides to get a vasectomy is just too much.

  i am truly appalled at the presumptiousness of these people who think they can control their followers to this degree.

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  Guess I have been out of the loop for a while! That post about being denied priveledges if one decides to get a vasectomy is just too much. I am truly appalled at the presumptiousness of these people who think they can control their followers to this degree. They are indeed like the pharisees. Sick!

  What I'm wondering is, in the past 5 years does anyone know what other *New Light* has popped up that I haven't heard about? <About the only one I had heard of was the change in view of 1914 being disassociated from "That generation">

  Thanks

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  If the society says "JUMP" do you ASK...

  by nicolaou in

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  not every jw is thick.

  in fact i'd say that most of them are just misguided.. still, i was wondering how many types of jw we could define according to their response to a simple, direct instruction from the society.. let's say this fictional directive from the gb is: "jump"!.

  what responses would various jw's give?.

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  ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........Oh! sorry. The bible study conductor put me to sleep. Again. LOL

  Jump!

  Guilty J-dub: ok! there now my conscience has been assuaged seeing as I did what I was *supposed* to do. Can I enjoy the rest of my day now? Or should I jump again to earn more points?
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  Any JW's take issue with R. Franz' writings?

  by TR in

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  just wondering if there is anything in r. franz' books that jw's might disagree with, assuming you feel free enough to read them.

  let's talk.. tr.

  edited by - tr on 8 march 2001 2:2:42

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  I have been *inactive* for about 5 years now, and have just within this past year started delving into views other than those WTBTS written. I am about 3/4 of the way through COC, and all this book has done for me is to reinforce what I already knew in my heart to be true, that Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization are NOT any truer or better than any other man made religion, and in many ways are worse. Ray having spent 40 years as a full-time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure...the last 15 at international headquarters and the final nine as a member of the governing body saw from the inside out the hypocrisy and the damage that these men <and he humbly includes himself in assigning blame> have caused to so many people through the years, And his conscience would no longer let him continue to be part of it. I highly recommend the book, It is an honest look at the inner working of a religion so many of its followers *thinks* it knows. before reading this I had no idea about the Malawai, Mexico hyposcrisy, had no idea about the 2/3 ruling system, had no idea about the many, many dates that had been arrived at by the various presidents of the society that came and went with no fulfillment, had no idea that Russell used measurements of the great pyramid of Giza to come to some of these dates...those and many more. And why would I? After being in *the truth* for over 30 years I was good j-dub and ONLY would look at things that the society published. I was spoon fed only what *they* wanted me to hear. It is with good reason that they don't want people to read Rays book. It's very Eye_opening!

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  Assemblies...conventions...special days...

  by NikL in

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  there is a phenomenon in dub dom that i have always hated.

  the circuit/district convention.. people will spend hard earned money, use up any vacation they may have to travel to a city they don't really have any particular reason to see to sit for entire days and listen to the same b.s.

  they could sit and listen to at the meetings in their home kingdom hall.

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  Hey AuSet, LOL! They did indeed make crappy fans I have read the handmaidens tale too. Really intense story. Also, about the dreams...I think the strongest chance of getting rid of them would be to not go to more DAs. The longer you are away the better things will get.

  Hey Thirdson, I have been to a few assemblies at the Rochester Civic center...also we went to many circuit assemblies in the assembly hall in Henrietta.

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  "Those who are about to die..." disf...

  by MacHislopp in

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  iam sure you wonder what is this.

  about...well take a quick look.

  at this link!.

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  Hey,

  Think I figured out the right url...it should read as follows:

  > http://www.ajwrb.org/special/letest.shtml
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  If you have children please read!

  by LDH in

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  below you will find the affirmations of humanism for children.. secular humanists believe there is no god; which in a round-about way makes you responible for your own actions.. their website is at http://www.secularhumanism.org.

  while i don't agree with all of their teachings, the manifesto is an excellent parenting tool.

  (i think you'll see how different it is from jw upbringing) i think you'll find that you could raise a very balanced and emotionally stable child following these guidelines.

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  Wow LDH!!

  That was great. I'm going to print that in big letters and save it. Imagine what a beautiful world we would have if everyone followed these simple tenets. And imagine the inner peace and joy people would have being free to enjoy the moment and their lifes here and now without fear and guilt.

  Thanks so much for posting this.

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  If you went back...

  by LovesDubs in

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  ive not been to a meeting in five years probably.

  yet my husband still goes and i always envision him going in and the hardy handshakes he gives, greeting and being greeted, sitting there with all those suits with the secrets hidden inside, and all those pretty dresses hiding the pain.

  if i wasnt disassociated, i wonder if i would be bolder, speak up, be honest with the "friends" instead of toeing the company line.

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  Make that 4 of us! I would sit there and would start to shake, and cry for what I thought then was no good reason, and have to leave. Now I think it was my subconsious telling me...alert! alert! something isn't right here congnisent half of the brain! escape! run away! I remember one poor brother who would try to give talks and would get so nervous that he would actually faint!!! talk about scary.

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  Leaving without losing

  by somebody in

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  good afternoon all,.

  after reading so many stories about people separating from their husbands/wives once the one of them stops attending meetings, i was wondering how someone could tell their spouse when they first starting learning the truth about the truth.

  i know there are couples who got out together on this board.

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  Hey somebody,

  I started out telling my husband things *as* I was feeling them...I started realizing something was wrong with JW's as an organization long before I actually started reading *apostate* literature. After my twin boys were born 5 years ago, one was quite ill, so I had stopped going to the meetings as he wasn't supposed to be around people so he wouldn't get sick. During this time we were called upon for a shepherding call and one elder had the audacity to look at me and say "try not to worry too much, if your baby dies now you'll see him again in the resurrection" I was so mad and flabbergasted he would say such a thing I left the room and never looked back. That was the straw that broke the camels back for me. My husband is great, even though we were both raised as JW's, he is a *real* person whom I have never been afraid to talk to. I have been honest with him about any doubts I have, and I have been reading him parts of Crisis of Conscience. He is as shocked as I am about what we're learning. The more you read about the failed prophesies, the illogical decision making, and the internal politics within the organization and the control these men hold over peoples lives the angrier you get!! It's a long, arduous, emotionally laden journey getting out of this *organization* And as hard as it is for me I realize that I don't have it as bad as many out there who have left who haven't had a wonderful support group like I have found with you folks here, or a supportive husband who loves me more than a group of old farts in Brooklyn Thanks again for your opinions and advice. THey have been invaluable to me.

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  Assemblies...conventions...special days...

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a phenomenon in dub dom that i have always hated.

  the circuit/district convention.. people will spend hard earned money, use up any vacation they may have to travel to a city they don't really have any particular reason to see to sit for entire days and listen to the same b.s.

  they could sit and listen to at the meetings in their home kingdom hall.

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  Oh boy you guys,

  Has this brought back lots of memories. Some good, some not so good. I remember going to the district conventions, trying to take notes <that were never looked at later> eventually notes turn to doodles, intermittently looking off into the crowd across the way trying to see if you spot anyone you know...<seeing some people with binoculars looking back at you, lol!> Getting too hot and making a fan out of your program. Staying around and watching the people get dunked like it was a spectator sport..hehehe. Waiting for the *good* part of the assembly on Sunday <The drama> Being disgusted with the people who after repeated warnings still insisted on using the flash on their cameras to take pictures of the drama <chuckling to myself thinking how beautifully illuminated the backs of the peoples heads who were in the row ahead would look in these afore mentioned idiots when they got their photos back> What was up with that? Did anyone ever go to a hall that was assigned a drama? Ours did one one year. Too funny, everyone lip-synching to those cheesy voices.

  I agree with mordin! The best part was getting out and getting back to the hotel to go swimming

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