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  Can someone give me a link to 1/1/97 Watchtower please?

  by bluebell in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'd like to have january 1, 1997, watchtower magazine article, abhor what is wicked, on my harddrive to print off.

  recently visited by elder and his wife, want to show why i left - my father should not get responsiblities as a molester.. i know it's here somewhere but i cant find it - i googled it but only got references to it and not the article itself.. also - has it ever been policy to advise victims to go to the police?

  or just hush it up?

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  ty - wathctower article has been saved to show if ever i am asked for my views by nosy elders :)
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  Your Opinion On Text Messaging While Driving

  by minimus in

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  that i think is crazy but most younger drivers do it.

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  it IS crazy but I admit to doing it once or twice and im not young! i usually pull over, or use hands free or remind myself that it cant be that urgent as all previous generations hav coped quite nicely without constant communication.
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  If the end is near....

  by dreamer817 in

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  if the end is so close as they told me then why?

  why did they build all those new buildings up in bethel costed millions first of i wanna know how they can afford i thought they were a none profit so how you end up with millions ?

  how can they afford to pay the superentendents (rent them cars , pay there meals , lodging) where does this money come from rent stadiums for assembly's i wana know why those bigshots in bethel drive nice cars when jesus walked and the one time he rode a mule not a horse a mule !

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  welcome
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  Can someone give me a link to 1/1/97 Watchtower please?

  by bluebell in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'd like to have january 1, 1997, watchtower magazine article, abhor what is wicked, on my harddrive to print off.

  recently visited by elder and his wife, want to show why i left - my father should not get responsiblities as a molester.. i know it's here somewhere but i cant find it - i googled it but only got references to it and not the article itself.. also - has it ever been policy to advise victims to go to the police?

  or just hush it up?

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  bluebell

  I'd like to have January 1, 1997, Watchtower magazine article, “Abhor What Is Wicked,” on my harddrive to print off. Recently visited by elder and his wife, want to show why I left - my father should not get responsiblities as a molester.

  I know it's here somewhere but I cant find it - I googled it but only got references to it and not the article itself.

  Also - has it ever been policy to advise victims to go to the police? or just hush it up? Any elders letters in the UK on this?
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  Is a rapid graceful exit possible?

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we will find out soon.

  as a brief update my wife sweet pea and i have 'announced' to a few friends and close family - less than 10 altogether - that we are no longer going to meetings.

  some friends have probed for details, others don't want to know.

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  Well I kinda managed it

  I did tell a few people that I was going to stop going to the meetings before I did, they don't talk to me but at least they didn't run screaming to the elders. And when I had the 5 minute visit where I said I wasn't going anymore the elder asked if I felt relief now I'd made that decision I said yes and pretty much wasn't contacted again.

  I know why I was aloowed to go so easily - my elder father had abused me admitted to it, stepped down and was being offered "responsiblities" once more, so they were happy to be rid of me.

  I am not d/f or d/a, my "friends" don't talk to me, nor my sister and cousins but thats their decision.
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  My upcoming UN-Dedication Ceremony

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. friends

  my last meeting at the kingdom hall was the memorial.

  i told the wife i don't want.

  to go to the meetings anymore.

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  I'd try it but I have no literature - I gave it all back to my mom. Maybe I should ask for some of it back and have an undedication ceremony too.
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  The "Truth" Hurts

  by Cold Creek Swimmer in

  1. jw
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  it is finally out there.

  my dad has finally faced it.

  he screamed that i am "apostate".

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  I drove away mad. 2 minutes later I was on my way back. I could not leave it like that. I went back, my mom let me in and I told her that I loved them both and that I did not come to their house to have this discussion. I respected their faith and apologized for being disrespectful in their home. My mom was fine. She got my pop and I had to say it all over again. He was still hot and barely accepted my olive branch. I never backed down about how I feel, I just wanted them to know that no matter what, they were my parents and my anger was not justified. As I walked out the door, I told mhy mom that it was obvious that they would no longer speak with me. she said she would always talk to me-regardless. I then said " Mom, the bible does not teach such a thing. It does not tell us to shun each other for different beliefs. The bible teaches love mom, not hatred." Then I left.

  I thought that was really big of you, well done for showing love, even if love is not shown to you. Their love may be conditional but we can show that ours is not : if they don't want to talk to us, fine - but our door is always open. Don't stoop to their level.

  I was brought up not to lose my temper and not to fight over anything, to let other people (ie my father) do what they want. Wish I could "vent my spleen" (as my hubby calls it), I am learning to fight for my right to think what I think,hubby is helping me get over the submissive wife brainwashing. A little bit of anger is healthy as long as you don't let it take over and get bitter.
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  Wish this were the other way round...

  by bluebell in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i met up with someone i used to know but lost contact with about 3m ago - i saw her in the street and struck up a conversation, mentioned that i didn't go to meetings any more and it turned out that she didn't either.

  anyhow, have been keeping in touch with the odd phone call and text but her bro died last month.

  he had just started studying (they were all bought up as dubs but their father used to beat them up) and got baptised at the last assembly.

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  I met up with someone I used to know but lost contact with about 3m ago - I saw her in the street and struck up a conversation, mentioned that I didn't go to meetings any more and it turned out that she didn't either.

  Anyhow, have been keeping in touch with the odd phone call and text but her bro died last month. He had just started studying (they were all bought up as dubs but their father used to beat them up) and got baptised at the last assembly.

  All the dubs have rallied round (remember she is inactive, hasn't been to meeting for 3 years maybe) seeing that she is at a low point and have been love bombing her. It was their lack of love and understanding about depression that made her leave in the first place.

  Unfortunately her "worldy" friends haven't been quite so understanding and haven't been supporting her in her loss. I just hope this doesn't go where it seems to - that she goes back. When I found out he'd died I phoned immediately and she came round for a meal but I'm just one against all of them and I wish I knew her "worldy" friends so I could give em a kick up the arse!
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  Suicide

  by Regrets in

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  2. experiences

  hello all.. i post here under a different name but feel the need to unburden myself anonymously.

  i hope you can understand.. several years ago, while married and an active dub, i had a one night stand.

  i was mortified at what i had done because this had happened before and i had told my wife.

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  I used to want to commit suicide. My way of justifying it was that as dubs all the family would forget the badness of the past in paradise and so I would be just a distant faded memory. I didn't kill myself because I didn't want to cause pain and upset to my family, figured I'd keep my pain to myself rather than pass it on. I tried it once but I was very drunk and it didn't work, can't remember what happened so don't know if I did try or whether what happened was just an accident, either way I'm glad it didn't work. The other times I just didn't have the "courage" to do anything, just sat there with a blade to my wrist unable to go any further. The amount of times I just wanted to drive into a tree...

  The dark little hole that you live in when you are depressed and suicidal is the most horrible place in the world and I hope that I will never return to it.
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  France Taxation

  by Omegaman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember reading some posts some time back about the society trying to avoid paying taxes in france and using the courts.. i wondered how this could be true, since the org would always say to us rank and file to pay back to cesar what belongs to him.. .

  the org has no problem with reporting on this in their 2007 yearbook they give a report on france .

  in a nutshell the french government (caesar) requests them to pay taxes, do they do so.

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  In the UK a charity is not taxed on any surplus arising from it's charitable activities, if there are any trading activities, the profits from these have to be below a certain percentage of the whole surplus if they are not to be taxed (5% of activites I think) if the trading activites are a higher percentage, then the trading activites are taxable.

  I think it's the same in France and I think the French revenue were of the opinion that not all the surplus was charitable and therefore some of the surplus was actually taxable profits. And that's what they were arguing about. Also that other religious bodies were treated as being charitable but suddenly the dubs weren't and were instead being presented with a tax bill.

  Anyone got any corrections on this please do so, it's only a vague memory on my part.