raises hand.
i thank auldsoul/blodie for helping me out...they stick out in my mind when i first lurked on jwd.
wac - bethelite for 10 years and elder for 1.
I would be going through the motions with no idea how to get out. I would be stuck feeling like things just weren't right but not being able to put my finger on it and without knowing where to turn to find out why. I imagine I would be incredibly frustrated and deeply depressed. Thanks to the internet and the wonderful man who found all the information for me to read, I can see it all exactly for what it is.
JELCAT
comments you will not hear at the 7-15-07 wt study (june 1, 2007, pages 21-25)thriving during grayheadness)).
review comments will be in red.
wt material from today's wt will be in black.
Thanks so much for this Blondie. I appreciate these WT articles and your comments and added info every week! They are quite helpful to me.
I love reading them now from the outside. The deciet and sickening manipulation is so clear to me now! It blows my mind that I bought into it for so long.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!
JELCAT
good evening all.... just posted some info.
on the orgins of fathers day, and decided to google the orgins of 4th of july.
whenever the document was read people celebrated.
yeah but this one involves ... NATIONALISM!!!! GASP!!
jelcat
did you ever feel like these all were like a military chain of command?.
and i think i'm just realizing this, but are females not allowed to give talks, or is that not correct?
if not, i know in scripture (1 timothy) it talks about women not being "teachers" of men, or something similar, but when i think back.....at work, i never hear of the females having ever given talks, i always here about the guys.. if i'm correct, as a female in the wts, did that t you off or were you relieved of not having to deal with it anyway?.
The endless titles always got on my nerves. I would hate when people would say, "oh, s/he's such a good pioneer!". I would think, "you just met this person how do you have any idea what this person is like? Just because s/he is a pioneer means NOTHING!!". Even just thinking about it now makes me angry. If a person was a pioneer or even better a BETHELITE, people just assumed that they were incredibly spiritual! What a load of crap. I had a pioneer bethelite ask me to drive two hours to meet up with him in another state halfway between us to spend the day together and to not tell anyone! That's a real good bethelite huh?? (btw, I turned him down! )
What you said about the women is true. I have to admit though I was always rather happy to know that the pressure of 'reaching out' for more priviledges was NOT on my shoulders. I would have dreaded giving 45 min public talks or worse yet, convention discourses!! UGH!!!
jelcat
hello all, just wanted to give an update..... i'm no longer engaged, so that's one less thing that's holding me back from leaving the org.
don't get me wrong, i do hate we had to end it and i do love her very much.
this has been quite hard for me.
good luck R.F.!!
I wish you the best!
jelcat
we all know that once this happens it will ring a loud cry from the wts to how it is "growing".
when do you think this will happen?
ugh! I don't know but, with so many of us still 'in' but not really, their numbers are so inflated!! I'm sure they know the numbers are inaccurate but they still love to throw them out there to excite the average JW.
honestly, I hope it never happens. I would love to see enough of us leave officially every year to prevent that number from ever being reached.
jelcat
hello, i've been lurking for a few months now.
like many others here i've been through quite a bit lately, and what i've learned (thanks to jwd) is very eye opening to say the least.
will write my story when i have time.
hi jibberish!
Your story of how you got baptized sounds so much like mine! I was a little older than you were when an elder approached me and said, "hey, why don't you get baptized? You're doing everything you should be doing and fulfilling all the requirements". So I said, ok. Problem was, the only requirement I wasn't fulfilling was the most important one, BELIVING IT!
In any case, thank you for the first part of your story. Looking forward to the rest. Welcome!
jelcat
i have asked this question but it hasnt really been answered for me, so why do they not celebrate xmas, birthdays, etc.
sorry if its been asked but still curious, dont really understand.. .
However, even they (WTS/Witnesses) admit themselves that the wedding ring and bridesmaids etc are pagan
Hey there stillajwexelder! Is this true?!?! They really have said that? I never heard this before. Do you have any links where I can read about this? I would love more info about that. Sounds interesting to me!
jelcat
what does the term "borg" mean?
i have heard it so many times here!.
mtsgrad.
in star trek, I believe, there was a group of aliens who lived on the BORG. It was a ship, or planet, or something, in which you would basically lose all individual thinking and would become totally mindless drones.
That is the context I always understood it in. Very applicable!!
jelcat
i've got my issues like everybody else.
good days and bad days.
ups and downs.. but there is something i can't relate to and simply will never understand.. that is:.
I'm with you nvr!! I personally stop reading the posts when they start getting like that. I think it is easy for people to behave differently online than they would otherwise. I'm sure I am not free from guilt in this matter. I just find it is better for me to walk away from the discussion rather than allow myself to be sucked into the behavior, you know?
jelcat
