For death to come and seal the final loss of what you could have been to each other is heart wrenching. I feel it and you must be cut to ribbons. I'm sure her love was strong for you but her mind was bound up in beliefs that were not yours. I send you my understanding - as a very small token of what you've lost. Hopefully you will meet again - and just sit smiling for a while.
R.Crusoe
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My Mom died yesterday
by skeptic1914 inmy mom passed away yesterday.
she was a die-hard jw.
i tried to explain why i couldn't accept certain teachings but rather than rationally consider what i had to say she chose to believe i was just "confused".
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Sincere Question to Anyone who Believes in God
by Big Tex inlately it's occurred to me that one day i will die.
being raised in a cult that teaches you, you will live forever without dying will warp perspectives.
and i've been working hard on coming to terms with that realization, and it's becoming more and more okay.
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I've realised after decades of mulling over all kinds of 'what should I do's', 'what should I think' etc, that all I know is what I feel from this minute on. Yesterdays weather is gone and no good worrying about, except in the positive learning it gave you to help you deal with it if it returns.
Love is all that makes sense if it happens to you.
If you don't have a close understanding of God at this minute then you cant say you love him and know what he wants you to do.
You'd like to, just like you'd love that perfect partner to come along and devote your lives to each other in family bliss - a soul mate dreams are made of.
Those two elusive loves haunt voids in ones life and any loving affection feels like an excellent and moreover biologically natural alternative - especially when the two elusive loves are known never to have happened in some peoples lives. This is realtime, there are no second and third takes, So do what feels right and good for you, so long as you don't hurt or break any laws you may then start to enjoy what you are. A human being, one of thousands of species with your own (possibly God given) biology made to do what you're made to do!
There are lots of books of faith and each with their own morality/ ethics as well as hidden/lost faiths with free thinking ideals so who knows for sure.
And if that's a problem on judgement day just ask,
'Was I really supposed to score top marks in that multiple choice about religion, life, morality etc. without ever knowing for sure the book I was reading was the one for the test I was being given? Would you do that to your own kid?
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Jehovah's Witnesses bizarre reaction to world events
by jambon1 inisnt it a bit strange how jw's react to the different things that go on in the world?.
after 9/11 i heard a brother describe the death and carnage as 'tragic but exciting'.
it seems to me that jw's have their heads so far up their own arseholes that they cant even react in a humane way when things happen in the world.
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The hub of their message does seem to prompt panic into individuals, who if already vulnerable as a result of their current circumstances, are more likely to respond in kind. For this reason, love is less of a motivating factor in securing someones response, and by the time that individual starts to ask themselves questions, it's often immpossible for them to know if they're in it for love, or out of a panic/fear response to what they heard early on.
Same with a marriage, if you get together and a child follows quickly, you may do the decent thing and marry out of a panic response or fear of religion (Gods displeasure) and only later do you realise you're not actually doing this because you're in love and now it's one mess to make right for everyones sakes! If you're not in religion for the love, why are you in it?
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Do You Still Act Like A Jehovah's Witness?
by prophecor ini'm not very far removed, any longer from how i presented myself as a witness, and how i do today.
i'm usually polite, cordial, respectful of others, even those who i may have very little regard for or those who on a regular basis, piss me off.
i work very hard not to use foul language.
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The whole ethos of JW indoctrination is to consider mankind as one unit - hence the one God -hence the one New Heavens and New Earth etc. Even when you leave their organisation so many fundamental principles will be indellibly imprinted on your subconcious that you will not be able to decipher whether what you now believe is who you are or what you've become as a result of contact with them. It's an awkward situation because so many people you come into contact with will have views differing from yours and will consider your views are a result of some sort of brainwashing etc.
I've got my thoughts on a range of things and many of them parallel with JW beliefs so what does that say about me?
It can be difficult to find people of the same mind as yourself and one could end up being part of a group purely as a result of searching for some belonging - a natural human instinct!
I'm secretly afraid of relationships because I'm self conscious that my views are not easily found in others. And I avoid conflicting with others views if possible whilst wanting to feel valued for what I believe in my own right. It's a lonely feeling this search for like minded or cosmopolitan thinkers.
So yes, I think anyone who has been involved with this 'life altering' set of beliefs cannot help but still feel different than others when attempting to reintegrate into a society you may have never really integrated with in the first place. Maybe that's why some are temptred to go back because they identify more with being a JW than with trying to be something they don't really feel part of. It's as if whatever you do is for all the wrong sorts of reasons!
And if all the natural dynamics of family life have been taken from your life you feel completely bereaved - though they're still living - and so you feel cheated and betrayed into the bargain with no power to alter anything for the benefit of anyone. Redundant as a human!
Awkward to say the least - and this is your life! It's why so many feel completely lost and frustrated.
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Beware of a Jehovah's Witnesses With No Life!!!
by minimus inif a jw has absolutely no "worldly" contacts, works for himself and has only witnesses working for him-----stay away from them!
if someone has been "homeschooled" from infancy----stay away!.
jws who know nothing but being a jw are the worst types!
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Some may be carrying that much turmoil that they can't bear it.
On unleashing it to unsuspecting individuals they may subsequently be avoided and then word spreads till few will talk to them.
This can replicate what they've already experienced at the Kingdom Hall and through close family. Life can become completely surreal for them.
They're probably not that far away from returning to a genuinely nice individual but everyone unintentionally keeps them in that space - at arms length from normal social interaction and so the cycle continues!
It's sometimes difficult to tell one type of person from the other when the symptoms are so similar. And I've known individuals who've had a ball for most of their lives and proved to be the most unreasonable and judgemental individuals I've come across. And I don't know personally any 'whole life' JWs coz non talk to me so I'll have to take others opinions as better informed than me in some respects.
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Personal Revelation
by Briguy insorry i do not post much but i do not have much original things to share because everyone here seems to cover it all.
i have had something strike very close to home and i thought i might share it incase someone out there might be thinking the same thing and is trying to put their finger on it.
i should give a small history on it to set it up.. growing up in the truth i was a model young man.
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Briguy
I think you've got the best perspective of all - your own!
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How stunningly gorgeous is this?!!
by Crumpet insince i moved here in february i have been lovely tending to my friend hisbiscus.
its gone from pruned stems to growing buds to finally flowering.
this morning when i woke up i was excited to see how the petals had lengthened and seemed about to open - but i had no idea how far.
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R.Crusoe
You have a beautiful pink flush crumpet!
And the hibiscus seems to be doing well!
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Convince me
by Liza ini am highly considering becoming a jehovah's witness.
i have been raised in the congregration, but left it when i was a child because my mom left too, but we still retatined the core belifs including the ressurection and the blasphemous pagan influence on mainstream churches.
my mom has recently returned to the congregation, and it has helped her a lot.
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R.Crusoe
You may have met a few people who've made you consider a personal relationship with - but some thing isn't quite right!
Or fall for someone but find out they don't feel the same way!
Then you meet someone and fall for them and they for you - things are about as perfect as they can get especially when you understand each other and really get on well together.
In this religion you might start to fall for it but never think it will fall for you - if anyones dumped it'll be you! It won't let you out gently!
Also ask yourself this;
Do I truly with all my heart - even if I don't make paradise - believe that I'm helping everyone by telling them to follow in what I believe?
Does it bring you fulfillment? Does it make you feel as you'd feel if you were tending the starving or the suffering? Are you completely, in your heart, at ease with yourself and the consequences of what you may be foisting upon unsuspecting families? Enough people on these forums feel their lives have been ruined by fundamentalist teachings! If your comfortable with these things and there's a certainty in your heart that you feel is undeniable - then you've already made your choice!
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Who here are basically athiest now???
by What-A-Coincidence in*raises hand.
a few interesting quotes:.
"religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies.
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R.Crusoe
Can someone help me? I don't know how to quote on this site - when I select it I can't get to the post I want to choose!
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Who here are basically athiest now???
by What-A-Coincidence in*raises hand.
a few interesting quotes:.
"religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies.
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R.Crusoe
When what you've been conditioned to believe in from birth reveals layers of deception to you, agnosticism is a place you're left in and atheism is only a step away!
Ray Crusoe 2007