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  Sith? Customized Titles For All!!!

  by Bendrr in

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  hey simon:.

  i was thinking about the title given to fredhall instead of jedi member.. maybe some other folks would like some title other than jedi too.. over a few beers and in the interest of diversity, i came up with a few.. 1. vulcan.

  2. space ranger.

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  Danny Boy,

  : 4......Dummy (farkels favorite)

  Sorry, but Fred Hall will have to work pretty hard to qualify for that one. Dummies do have SOME intelligence, you know!

  Farkel
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  The Heavy Toll on Children of DF'd Parents

  by FreePeace in

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  note: contains passionate language.

  two years ago, i divorced my wife, (who was an alcoholic).

  close to the same time, think41self and i decided to marry, and for that, we were both disfellowshipped (couldn't prove scriptural freedom, but who cares now?).

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  After reading that tragedy in your family I guess I'm lucky enough to be thankful for one thing: None of my children had to face being raised in that sick Cult, and all of them know enough about it to never be sucked into it in their lives. At least I was able to stop the cycle of abuse for four future famlies and grandchildren and being able to prevent the Watchtower cult from putting a choke-hold on their necks, bleed them dry, wear them out, disappoint them with lies and empty promises, destroy their lives and then cast them off like dirty laundry when they are all used up and no longer of any value to the Cult leaders.

  My heart goes out to you and your son, Freepeace.

  Farkel
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  How will Gen-Xers contribute to the fall of WTBS?

  by LDH in

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  is it because we're a cynical lot?.

  maybe because we were the first generation of latch-key kids who learned how to raise ourselves?.

  what is it that makes it so 'hard to lie to a gen xer?

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  I don't think the WTS will ever "fall" completely. It could be decimated down to about 25% of its current membership, though. That has already happened several times in its history.

  There are always a percentage of people who will remain braindead no-matter-what.

  Farkel
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  So...?

  by zev in

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  if the borg don't have the truth....who does?.

  a question i've been pondering since learning of the deceiptfull ways of the borg.

  once one has the "knowledge" of good and bad, as it were, that the borg are/have lied to its followers, been deceiptfull, misused others quotations to suit thier purpose, and misapplied them, as so very well brought to us by maximus{which by the way, max, have you posted your story anywhere on the forum?

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  : If the Borg don't have the truth....who does?

  If you already know what the truth should be, then no search is necessary. If you don't know what it should be, you wouldn't be able to recognize it even if you stumbled across it.

  Ginny gave some succinct yet excellent advice to you.

  Farkel
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  "REVISED" PEDOPHILE POLL RESULTS

  by Amazing in

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  thanks for the helpful comments.

  as a result, this post is revised in the "analysis" portion below.

  i made some math errors in a rush to post this in between work breaks.

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  I do not personally think that all those statistics you created are very meaninful for such a small sample. If only honest and active JWs who would be in a position to be privy to knowledge about child abuse (or not) in the congregation could be added to the mix of responses, I think the sampling would be more representative.

  Those of us who participated in your survey who have been out for decades yet remember abuse going on those many years also do not contribute at all to a clear picture of what has been going on lately.

  That's not to say that I think things have changed much from the past, but rather that the survey cannot be taken seriously about providing insight into today's problems in the JW congregations.

  Farkel
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  It Really Was A Numbers Game!

  by Englishman in

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  did you know that a decline in meeting attendances was once taken as a sign that wrongdoing had taken place in the congregation?

  see what you make of this:.

  in the early 60s, when i was but a callow youth and still living at home with my parents, a very anxious jw mum came a-banging on our door.

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  Isn't it hilariously ironic that dubs vehemently deny they are superstitious?

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  Convention Summary

  by Moxy in

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  as promised, here are my observations from the three convention days here in hamilton, ontario.

  i hadnt expected to say much since many like lostmyreligion and bibleexaminer had already discussed it a lot.

  actually i have quite a few things to say, hopeful meaningful things.. a few general observations: .

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  Moxy,

  I'm very impressed with your coverage of that assembly.

  I mean, I'm VERY impressed with your coverage of same.

  Really.

  Farkel
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  WTS Deception on Alternative Military Service

  by AlanF in

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  until 1996 the watchtower society's official policy was that a young jw man who volunteered for alternative military service, rather than being imprisoned or letting a court sentence him to some kind of alternative civilian service, had violated christian neutrality and therefore was either to be disfellowshipped or declared to have voluntarily disassociated himself from the jw organization.

  beginning in 1978, the governing body voted on changing this policy a number of times, and generally had a simple majority who voted for change, but because the gb had a policy that all changes needed a 2/3 majority, and that was never reached until 1996, the policy remained.. in 1996, it appears that jehovah changed his mind, and so via divine direction instructed the governing body to change its policy.

  in the may 1, 1996 watchtower (pp.

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  AlanF,

  You most certainly know that this subject pushes one of my BIG buttons.

  I hate this subject. I don't like to see it come up, and I reluctantly even talk about it.

  I gave too much of my young life to the freaking WTS Printing Corporation over this one. Then they changed the rules. Of course, by then, they had screwed me and two years of my young life that I sacrificed when I worshipped their words. I didn't see any "sorry, Farkel: we really screwed you and thousands of youths just like you because we just made up a bunch of stuff" from those dip-fucks ("dip-fuck": a cross between a dip shit and a fuckhead, which implies the most perjorative implications of each) and at WT Central(tm). Nope. I never got that letter. But they screwed me, alright. And I allowed myself to let them do it: I actually believed they were talking for God when they screwed me. In typical Watchtower style, they made ME pay for the Vaselene, too!

  I don't believe they are actually talking for God now, though. Unless God speaks to them through their dysfunctional bungs, that is.
  And even if that were true, they would still be talking shit. Sorry for the bad pun, folks.

  I'm very uncomfortable with this subject. I was truly reamed by the WTS on this one.

  Farkel
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  Atheists at it again

  by Rex B13 in

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  the site changed but the atheist proseletyzing continues.

  isn't it odd how our two norwigs compliment each other in their attacks on god and the bible?

  well, simon, you now have the honor of hosting a platform for the true apostates to spew their anti-god venom.. this kind of thing is sadly typical of those who leave the wts.

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  Dub-dub,

  It is late and I'm very tired. I and two other friends rode up and down hills in San Diego all of today and we logged over fifty miles on our bikes. I'm now 53 years old and doing stuff like that hurts these old bones and muscles!

  You said:

  : Who hates 'who', old friend?

  I don't hate anyone, least of all you. You know that because we ARE old friends.

  : Wouldn't you rather let your sweet old mom go out peaceful and happy?

  Sure, I would. I hardly ever bring up dub stuff around her. She does and then attacks me with the most irrational stuff I've ever heard. Shoot! YOU were a dub and you know this to be true! My Mom picks on me and I have this humanity about me that won't let a lie about me or her beliefs go unchallenged. May God forgive me for speaking against lies. God IS truth! The Bible says that.

  : If any of these buddies of yours went up to her and screamed in her face wouldn't you bust them?

  Bulldust, and that is a big red herring, dub-dub. Firstly, you presuppose that my "buddies" actually "scream" to make a point. You are wrong. AlanF and others of my friends are very soft-spoken people. What they say in print is only "screaming" for those who don't want to hear their evidence.

  Secondly, you set forth a hypothetical question, which has not happened, but I can guess that would happen with my sweet mother if any of my evil "apostate" friends would by chance speak to her: she would immediately go totally braindead. She does it with me on a weekly basis, and I'm at least the equal of those "apostate" friends of mine. Well, maybe I'm not their "equal", but I'm no dummy. How's that?

  : I see people here who have a obvious goal of destroying people by ripping away their last vestiges of hope.

  Translation: they offer actual facts and don't offer fantasies.

  Please re-read this sentence you wrote above and think long and hard about it:

  "I see people here who have an obvious goal of destroying people by ripping away their last vestiges of hope."

  Did God make us to live in fantasies for His benefit? If so, why did he give us the ability to use logic and reason? This is a fair question. Do you have a decent and rational answer for that one?

  : If you have nothing to offer a drowning person but an anchor what's the point?

  Cute. Well, if people ARE actually drowning I would deal with the matter differently. I do not want to see anyone drown. If you are drowning, dub-dub, then please write me. I will give you my phone number. We can talk live. I love you, guy. I've known you and watched you for years. If you you are just tossing out some broad generalization, then I challenge you to provide evidence that giving facts is the same thing as giving an anchor to those who are drowning. If you can't do that, then you must acknowledge that people who actually state facts are evil and as evil folks, they destroy peoples myths and superstitions by merely providing truth. This is problamatic for true believers, to say the least.

  In the past, people were murdered for being honest, too: By "true Christians," who slaughtered them by the bucket-fulls, not so incidentally due to the fact that those victims actually pointed out problems in those believer's faith(s). You cannot have it both ways: either you kill or silence honest people who deliver provable facts, or you let them speak and some people who believe in myths and superstitions will have all of their fantasies destroyed. If a believer is disappointed that that believer's cherished beliefs have just been shattered and a skeptic who provided evidence for that believer to be disappoined is then murdered, the rational person would have to ask him/herself "which is the bigger and more culpable crime before God being committed here?" Was the person who showed a delusional/non-evidential person that that person was living in delusions the REAL "criminal?" Should the delusional/non-evidential person be grateful for seeing some actual facts? Or should the delusional/non-evidential person seek to have the fact-seeker and presenter murdered at the first opportunity? In this little essay we are seeing how religion actually works: get rid of those who disagree with our little beliefs.

  But I've digressed here.

  : If I thought that there was no God or nothing to affect the future of my family and fellow JWs then I would leave them in their relative zone of happiness in the Borg.

  You have set up a classic false dilemma, my friend. You are assuming an either/or situation without reasoning that there is a third, fourth, fifth alternative. Do not make life-choices on such a faulty conclusion, is my humble opinion.

  : Indeed, if one believes there is no God, then why make other's miserable and maybe suicidal when what they don't know won't hurt them?

  There are many who believe there is no God and they just go their merry way in that belief. Some of them actually explain why they believe that way and you assume that by their arguments they make "other's lives miserable?" What? An argument from an atheist is enough to make other's lives miserable? Did the Crusades make other lives miserable? How about the Inquisition? Were the Crusades about a written argument on a discussion board that only expressed someone's arguments and thoughts? NO! They whacked HEADS OFF back then!

  Keep your passion, dub-dub. Unlike some of my friends and others, I Champion you to express your ideas thoughts and prejudices, too! Keep them coming! Enjoy your new freedom to be what ever you want to be! Discussion boards produce ideas, and I for one love hearing ideas from all sorts of people, and that includes your own ideas, dub-dub.

  As always, I will address your arguments, and try to stay away from attacking you. You whacked me personally with your latest round, and I took that in stride. I know you. And I care about your and your growth and spiritual health. (Whatever THAT means.)

  Your bud as always,

  Farkel
  Mr. Mean Class
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  Is it a Congregation or a tricky corporation

  by jst2laws in

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  i have been trying to make points with some in my congregation by dropping neutral hints, such as: did you know since 1985 we (they) do not baptize in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit but we have taken holy spirit out of the process and placed the spirit directed organization into the picture?.

  i told several on their way to the convention to look for this as well as the emphasis in the drama on loyalty to the organization.

  i havent been to the convention this year but may have to persevere through one more because two folks came back telling me they did not hear any emphasis on organization.

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  jst2laws,

  : Now, I know there is some liberty taken by the speakers at each convention,

  As I understand it (I've been out nearly thirty years, but I do my best to keep on top of things) the speakers at conventions must now follow a written script. Furthermore, as I also understand, someone near the dais has a copy of that same script and is charged with making sure the speaker does not deviate from it. If the speaker DOES deviate from it, he might loose his Watchtower Weenie, and no male likes that kind of punishment.

  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this new policy was put in place so that the WTS could make sure that EVERY DA had the same information exactly the way the Society wanted it.

  patio34,

  : It was maybe about 2-3 years ago, that a big point was made in the WT about not referring to WTBS anymore as the 'Society,' but to use the term FDS. Remember?

  That issue was about telling dumb and Society-Worshipping(tm) dubs to say "the Bible says this about that...," instead of saying the "Society says this about that..."

  Of course the whole issue is bulldust. What the Society says about what the Bible says is actually what the Society will SAY what the Bible says. It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says. Only those mystics in WatchtowerLand who are in charge or selling WatchtowerWares(tm) know this stuff.

  What the Bible actually says doesn't meant squat. What means squat is what the Society says the Bible says when it said what is said. And often the Bible didn't actually mean what it said. That's where the "Society" comes in handy. They tell fools that it really didn't mean what it said but it really meant what THEY said it meant. This all makes perfect sense to me.

  Take notes. WatchtowerWorld is a VERY complicated world to live within. To add to the complication of living in WatchTowerWorld, even when THEY say stuff, THEY didn't really mean what they actually said to any average moron who read what they said and thought they meant what they said.

  This problem is not to hard to deal with in WatchtowerWorld(tm): it is called stuff that is "spiritually deep." In otherwords, it is horseshit to the average person with a single shred of common sense.

  Farkel