Posts by ProdigalSon

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did Jehovah cause the ultimate ruination of the earth?

by booby in

could it be said that jehovah is the real culprit in bringing the earth to ruin?

if we believe the narrative of the bible, jehovah took the earth from what one would have to assume was an uninhabitable sphere from his universe and made it habitable complete with a perfect garden that had the potential of being spread earth wide.

with its water canopy intact along with the other provisions or cycles would allow for this to continue in its idyllic state forever.

ProdigalSon

"Jehovah" was the Hebrew version of the Pagan Creator gods of mythical lore, and was the equivalant of Satan, who is nothing more than the negative half of duality. The Spirit of God must "die" in order to descend into matter, and this is the true meaning of the "death" that resulted from eating of the forbidden tree. It was part of the plan and necessary for dense matter to come into being. So when the New Testament says that Satan is the god of this world it isn't kidding. In order for a world to have free will it must have an adversary, and the adversary has to be defeated in order to be reunited with the spirit realm. This is the meaning of being "born again", the dense physical must "die" in order to ascend back to the higher dimensions.

The second chapter of Genesis was written centuries before the first by the Jahwist, who was quite honest in his approach, while the Elohist wrote the first chapter and introduced the deception of literalization while also editing the Jahwist chapter. The process of explaining how evil came into being is not an easy one. The Jahwist was honest in telling us that the world was not created perfect by a perfect God, but that it was created through violence and that it was not perfect but the ultimate plan was to to put man here to subdue it and perfect it. The Elohist was of the priesthood who needed to make man guilty for the imperfections of Creation and therefore needing a savior. The truth is that the first six days of Creation are speaking about Involution, which is the ideation process that took place in the mind of the Creator. The seventh day is when physical matter appeared and the process of Evolution began.

All the subsequent stories in the Bible are continuations or expansions of this metaphor. Ever notice how every time there needs to be a child born, the woman is barren and requires some sort of miracle to give birth?

It's not possible to fully explain all this in a few sentences, so I suggest a book called "Myths and Deceptions of the Bible" by Lloyd M. Graham. It is the most liberating book for anyone who has ever been captive to the Bible's priesthood-inspired suppression psychology.

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Paul in Scripture, was he a real hsitorical person and a converted Jew

by designs in

critique on a scholarly level began around the 1700s by f.c.

baur a theologian in germany followed by deissman and reitzenstein.

some felt he was really a gnostic, others felt that he may have been the writer luke, or a plato schooled mystic.

ProdigalSon

Of the 13 epistles attributed to "Paul", only 4 are agreed upon by most scholars. There is no doubt that "Paul" was used by later church fathers to pervert Christianity over to a priesthood/government-friendly version. Whether he actually existed is as much in question as whether or not Jesus did. I believe they did exist but their message was changed, as Paul was indeed a Gnostic and Jesus was most likely an Essene. According to the Gnostic gospels of the Nag Hammadi Library, Jesus taught that God was within and was both male and female, and that uniting these two was the key to ascension.

The truth is likely that which was attacked and destroyed by the Roman church. The preservation of the Gnostic gospels and their discovery in 1945 is proof enough for me that there is a God who never fails to bring to light what is carefully concealed.

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finding the lord...versus finding yourself

by Aussie Oz in

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i have noted many who are ex jw but now are 'born again' or have found the 'lord' telling how wonderful life is now.... i mean no disrespect to those who claim this, and are happy, i can understand i guess, leaving the wt but still wanting to serve 'god' but i just can't come at it.

we all know the story... life sucked, left the watchtower, found jesus, lifes great again.... what about my life?

some of you already know i am not christian and in fact are more anti god/religion than ever.. i was depressed, couldn't live up to the rules, faded out fast, left wife, lost kids, lost every single friend of 30 years, lost every material thing save the clothes on my back, lonely hermit for two years, adultery, disfellowshipped, crazy girl friend, one night stands... you might say life went down the toilet and i needed saving from myself.. wrong!.

ProdigalSon

Congrats Oz, you are God. Lucifer (Venus) said it, and Jesus the bright morning star (Venus) said it. See what happens when you love yourself? It's the first and only commandment, and since we are all one, loving yourself means loving everybody else.

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is the good news preached by the wts the same of the apostle Paul?

by marcopolo in

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help me: .

the good news of the kingdom of god,.. a kingdom that come to govern on the earth, this wts teach.... but the apostles and christians preached this?

gal 1:8,9.

ProdigalSon

Please observe these words carefully:

Colossians 1:23 "....provided, of course, that you continue in the faith, established on the foundation and steadfast and not being shifted away from the hope of that good news which you heard, and which was preached in all creation under heaven. Of this [good news], I Paul became a minister."

Since Paul was the first to bring Christianity to the West, when exactly was this preached in all creation under heaven before he became a minister to it? And isn't it amazing that Paul never once makes mention of any "virgin birth"? He really doesn't seem to know about much of anything that is written in the gospels.

According to scholars, Paul's epistles were written before the Gospels as they were finalized and presented at the Council of Nicea. In fact there were a multitude of gospels to choose from, but only the ones that fit into Constantine's ecumenical version of Christianity (making Jesus a god-man and the ONLY Christ), were accepted into the canon. So Paul was talking about a good news Gospel that had been known to all ancient civilizations, and was already common knowledge, through mythology. (See "Zeitgeist".)

"That which is known as the Christian religion, existed among the ancients, and never did not exist; from the beginning of the human race until the time Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed began to be called Christianity." -Saint Augustine of Hippo, Retractions, Book One, Part 12, "One Book On The True Religion".

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Would the world be a better place without Atheism/Religious-ism?

by AK - Jeff in

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my thread here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197200/5/atheists-do-you-ever-talk-to-god has taken a decidedly new twist.

one that has made me think it prudent to discuss a related matter.. would the world be a better place if all atheism was gone?

would it be a better place if all religion were gone?

ProdigalSon

It depends what you mean by "atheists". Most of the atheists I know don't reject the idea that there is a God, they just reject the god of the Bible, with good reason I might add.

It seems you already know that all religions teach truths esoterically which is contained within their scriptures in the form of allegory, but the literal words are misleading and deceptive, in order to empower a priesthood. So Jeff, congratulations on being among the conscious.

Would the world be a better place without religion? Lennon said it all in "Imagine".

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God's Name Discussion

by garyneal in

several weeks ago, i was attending a meeting with my wife and i brought my king james translation of the bible with me.

one of the brothers came up to me after the meeting and asked me what translation did i have and i showed it to him.

he asked if i knew that god's name appeared in that translation and i said, "yes, psalms 83:18 i do believe.

ProdigalSon

Ask them, if they are the only ones who use the Divine name, why they could buy a kabbalah tetragrammaton talisman on ebay for around $30.

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How the TRINITY covers up the murder of Jehovah

by Terry in

jehovah is one of the most colorful personalities in history!.

he is mighty, awe-inspiring, violent, whimsical, repenting of having even created man--yet, capable of bargaining with the likes of lot and stopping the literal-minded abram from stabbing his own isaac to death as a sacrifice.. jehovah flies into a rage and wipes out thousands in a heartbeat, sends she-bears to tear children apart, drowns millions of men, women, children and pregnant women in a worldwide flood---but, champions one family of 8.. this same super-deity walks in the garden of eden in the breezy part of the day, wrestles with jacob all night and can only manage to get away by crippling him!

jehovah leads the children of israel to freedom out of egypt and yet opens up the earth and swallows up many of the same people when moses delays returning from sinai and they slip into their old ways.. what a character!

ProdigalSon

Is the New Testamant God any better? After Peter, a man filled with "Holy Spirit" pulls the plug on Ananias and Sapphira just for trying to keep a little of what's theirs, he says we're about to go up like a Roman candle, with a hissing noise being our last utterance.

The "Grand Climax" to Jehovah's sadism is the "Revelation", seven vials poured into the earth, like pouring salt on slugs, followed by the ultimate bloodbath, up to the bridles of the horses for hundreds of miles. What a nice god.

If we're ever going to evolve from primitive neanderthals to human beings, it's time to pull the plug on the Bible and all these fear cults.

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Alchemy Sacred Secrets, Revealed(?)

by frankiespeakin in

carl jung produced his first major work on alchemy right after ww2.

isaac newton was an alchemist who also had his bout with in sanity during process according to one book that i read about his life and accomplishments... this site give some details about jung and alchemy and gnosis:.

http://www.gnosis.org/jung_alchemy.htm.

ProdigalSon

Jesus' first miracle was an alchemical transmutation....otherwise what would be the point of turning water into wine other than to prove he was a magician?

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What's To Become of Adam and Eve?

by Cold Steel in

i dunno...in the back of my mind, i seem to recall that back when i took some lessons with the witnesses that they told me that adam and eve were going to be in pretty bad shape in the grand scheme of things.

or does jesus' atonement cover adam and eve?

they quoted to me the scripture about john the baptist where jesus says, "he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

ProdigalSon

Adam and Eve were yin and yang, positive and negative, consciousness and energy, the two witnesses, the two serpents wrapped around the scepter in the medical symbol, etc. etc..... we MUST stop believing that fairy tales are real.

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Does immune system rule out adam?

by chukky 594 in

i was thinking the other day about our complicated immune systems.

if gods plan was for adam to live on earth forever, and never die, then why was he given an immune system.

he obviously was (if he existed), because we have inherited it.

ProdigalSon

I dunno, but he messes it all up for everybody and lives 930 years. We did nothing wrong and if we're lucky we get to live 70 or 80. What a god.