Posts by RollerDave

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My JW Friends Visited My Daughter & Wanna Keep It Quiet From Other JWs

by minimus in

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my daughter is at home with her new daughter and an older couple visited them in her home and brought some lovely outfits for the baby.

they stayed for about a half hour and ther company was very much appreciated.

the following day they were at a jw get together along with my mom.

RollerDave

I have always held that 'you' are not 'what you do.' There is heart condition to consider and none of us is qualified to read that.

I think Mini and Gary could each have a different perception of the same person and both be right.

We can only judge actions, and shunning isn't a top-shelf action, but the conflict exists inside and when conditions are right it will burst.

Not everyone can break free as vehemently and cleanly as you did, Gary, and Kudos to you for it!

But I think if we get hung up on labeling people good or bad, we descend back into that from which we have fought to be free, petty judgemental legalism.

Take people as they are, imperfect, quirky, and loved equally by Jesus, but associate with those who's actions are compatible with your tolerance level and you should be fine.

Mini, glad to hear that cracks are devoloping in the WTS monolith regarding your daughter, may the dam burst.

Roller

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I've been studying with JW's for a few months..

by MichaelM in

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i've been studying with the jw's for a few months and i've attended a few meetings but things are feeling somewhat strange...i don't quite get the jist of things but i feel that i'm learning more of what the watchtower teachers and less of what the bible actually says.. i never open my bible.. i'm always reading the watchtower pamphlets.

i really like the people i've met in the congregation and the guy thats been doing the studies with me has been an awesome friend.. .

but i'm just having some issues.. i mean.. they translated their own bible to suit their own doctrines it seems.

RollerDave

Your misgivings are valuable, don't lose them by giving up your free will.

I know it can be hard to find a path that seems right and pleasing to our creator, but the programmed 'worship' of the mind controlled is probably not what He is looking for.

I understand your dissatisfaction with some of the mainstream doctrines you've mentioned and it seems like the JW's are the only people teaching that stuff so they MUST be the truth, but you have to realize that the JW's are NOT unique, not in doctrine, not in their preaching work, not in their moral or social framework.

If you go through with becoming one of them, the matter is settled in their eyes and you may no longer ever reconsider or do further research. That's pretty permanant, so Be Sure!

Of course you've liked the folks you've met, they are 'love bombing' you. They have not yet begun making demands, have they.

They will.

They will tell you to have no contact with us, to plug your ears and not listen to what we have to say; however I advise you to do research on this group from both sides to be sure, go ahead an study, associate, but don't tell them you are getting info from anyplace else, meanwhile keep posting here, keep us appraised of your progress and we'll let you know what to expect next.

You will see who it telling you straight and who is leading you on.

Believe me, there is faith, truth, honor, and spiritual fulfilment out there, but you will have a hard time getting it from the WTS.

Someone is Lying.....

by R.F. in

so my ex called a little while ago.

she said she was calling to check on me out of concern.

i've been to 2 meetings in a month.

RollerDave

Well, I think she MIGHT actually care about you as a person, but unfortunately it's that superficial caring through a WT lens darkly that they have reduced their abilities to.

If you don't use it, you lose it, and thinking that 99 percent of the world is going to be killed by Jah does tend to take it down a notch.

Also, I don't have to tell you that JW's have this psychopathic way of believing their own BS as the say it; she is either using this dubious talant, or simply relaying what her handlers want her to say.

It could be, if you will pardon the pun, a game of telephone where as the info passes from one to another it changes subtly.

I personally lean towards thinking there's a handler there with her telling her what to say and they were trying to sound you out.

In any case, you are fading so well, don't let them trip you up!

Just keep it up and soon they'll come looking and not see you cuz you faded!

Roller

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They just don't realize what they say sometimes...

by Metamorphosis in

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talking to a friend of mine the other day.

he's a 22 year old witness.

he said something to me about not going out on saturday mornings anymore and i responded i didn't know the bible set a certain time and day i had to do my ministry.

RollerDave

See, if you were among people that you expected to be American English speakers, and someone flubbed an idiom, like saying 'raining dogs and cats' instead of cats and dogs, it would break your train of thought and make you wonder if they were who they said they were.

Well, the dubs have their 'pure language' and at the slightest sniff of disunity of thought, speech, or action, they wonder if you might have apostate cooties and if they got on THEM!

Yet, they will just blurt out the dimmest dub garbage and be oblivious to the reactions of those around them.

Roller

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My Dad is in the hospital and...

by tnangel73 in

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my dad is 81 years old.

his heart rate was up pretty high today.

and he was hyperventilating, not getting enough oxygen.i'll be at the hospital tomorrow and i know that a lot of dubbies will come to see him.

RollerDave

tnangel,

I feel for you, this is hard I know.

My father was in and out of the hospital for heart attacks and emphysema for years before he died.

You just be there for your dad, and to hell with the dubs.

If they try to invite/convert you, how about trying 'now is not the time for that'

"Id rather not discuss religion at a time like this" is nice, but you might have to have a follow up in the form of, "well, we'll have to agree to disagree then."

Could your worldly sibs run interference for you with the dubs?

"oh, she is respecting your wishes by having us talk to you"

So, sympathy for you and your dad, don't take no crap from the tower, and have hear and check back, will you?

Roller

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"Follow The Christ" Convention videos

by AlphaOmega in

found these at youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/user/hizbrowneyez.

hope it hasn't been posted before.. so put a copy of watchtower on your seat, pop off to the kitchen and make a flask of coffee.

then come back to your securely reserved seat and pretend that you are there.. ao.

RollerDave

Well, I didn't have any watchtowers, so I left my copy of CoC, I hope that will do.

No coffee, but I grabbed a beer and watched it NINJA STYLE!

Of course with all the wind breaking and uncontrollable pissing, it was a little hard to follow, but I managed to notice a thing or two.

Is it just me or are they trying to increase mass appeal by including more comedy? There were a number if pretty funny lines.

It's nice to see the WTS hasn't lost any of it's legendary finesse and subtlety. When I'm in the garage and I see a sledgehammer, I think 'Watchtowerhammer"

The emphasis on how Jah only works through 'his channel' and it is prideful to think that Jah could work thru any of us stupid little R&F...

I began to get the impression that the WTS is concerned that publishers might be spending the donation money collected in the field misery on donut breaks. Does this sound like it might be so?

I also noticed, by reading along at biblegateway that they added considerable material, altered some points, they twisted that account like wringing out a towel to squeeze what they wanted from it.

When did they stop having a 'modern' section, typically at the start and end to tie in what we learned with our day because we are all too stupid to make the conclusion?

I think we should all be grateful for this loving provision from our apostate brother, and try to stay in step with the Truth-of-the-Day, and be sure not to put any coins in the vending machines or wear jeans for a month before and after watching this!

What a crock!

Roller

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Change in Baptismal Questions?

by brunnhilde in

on another thread someone posted about hearing a different set of baptismal questions than the ones they had at their baptism.

can someone elaborate on this?

i don't remember hearing anything about the questions changing and this really surprised me, though i don't know why!

RollerDave

Wasn't that 1 Watchtower 9:14?

teehee, we so bad!

Roller

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Who here believes in Creation, yet believes in the Fossil records??

by Lady Liberty in

good morning and "happy sunday everyone!!.

yesterday our family (grandparents, grandkids, aunts, uncles) all went for a two hour drive for a picnic and all day fossil dig.

(sorry, i cannot tell you where, as it would probably reviel who i am to the trolls on this forum.

RollerDave

I believe in the Bible, and also in the fossil record.

An interesting viewpoint on this is expressed by Dr. Kent Hovind at http://www.drdino.com

He's a young earther, and a serioud born again, and I don't personally subscribe to the full range of his beliefs; but his videos are free downloads and he is a very entertaining and engaging speaker.

I found quite a few points that gave me things to think about.

Roller

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Do you remember this saying...?

by Flowerpetal in

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regarding worldly associations:.

"the worst jw in the org.

is better than the best person in the world..".

RollerDave

OMG, I remember hearing this one!

(ninja, you so bad! lol)

Talk about an irrational belief based on skewed reasoning!

Just like in a he said/she said, if one has been dunked, and the other not, the one with the watermark is speaking truth, the other is either lying, wrong, or naive.

I've seen it time and again.

There is a hard, sharp line between "us" and "them", with a small lobby to act as a holding pen for the DF'ed that they might let back in. On the worldly side of that line, everybody is guilty of the acts of the worst among them, but on the dub side, a person's worthlessness is individually decided based on how much they aren't doing.

As long as that foolish line is the arbitrary standard of value, you will have vanity like the statement quoted by the original poster, silliness like the one I mentioned, dangerous life wrecking concepts like 'marriageability means being theocratic" and more!

That's the natural consequence of mortgaging your conscience out to people you do not know.

Roller

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Is There ANYTHING That Could Get Your Friends & Relatives Outta The Org.?

by minimus in

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could you think of anything that might put them over the edge?

RollerDave

I agree that is is a two-step process, the first step would be to actually permit one's self to think whatever one wants, the second is to use that permission to re-examine what one HAS been thinking.

I don't have too many left in the b0rg,

My mom is 79 yrs old and beginning the slide into alzheimer's, she was never too sharp to begin with. Big hearted, creative, fervent, but not exactly sharp. I don't see her breaking free before her mind goes too far, and It's a shame.

Older sister, Mrs. PO (and husband) are enjoying the dub life from the upper crust, I don't think either of them would want to give up all they have worked for. Too much to start again from the bottom in your fifties unless you are MADE to, but they are about as unlikely to slip up as anyone I know.

Younger sister SRLB. I could see her coming out one day. She has always had a worldly streak a mile wide and is only suppressing it now by sheer willpower I believe. She is very much afraid of me, and as we used to be very close I feel safe in saying what she fears is the truth about the truth she knows I have. In the back of her mind, she can see something is NOT RIGHT and knows if she gave herself permission her whole house of cards would come tumbling down around her completely invalidating all her previous works of self righteousness.

Niece and her husband. I don't even know them anymore. He's still a bigtime rock and roller, she is very very cozy with SRLB so if SRLB ever comes out, she will probably take niece with her. Not out of concern for niece, or altruism, but so that she won't be alone.

My older bro DF is already out, but that does me no good since he is pond scum in OR out. I wouldn't cross the street to piss on him if he were on fire. Ptui!

I got two exes, the first (X-Box) is completely delusional and as long as the WTS mindset provides an excuse (her being rejected by it) for her to whore it up and drown in liquor, she will never disbelieve it. She believes as truly and sincerely as any dub, but from the outside where the parties are louder.

The fella that ran off with X-box was associated, but I think he's pretty much done with it for good. The last vestiges of doubt seem to have been killed by the new Kool-Ade WT arrangement.

2nd ex, (haven't thought of a cutesy nick yet) Is kind hearted, friendly, naive, and completely unstable. Oh, not terribly intelligent either, but she had HUGE cans...

She's in for life, perpetually trying to measure up and 'get in' but never quite making it. I think they keep her on the fringe because they are scared of her instability. I don't blame them. If she messed up and they shunned her, she would still go, sit in the back, and revel in the tragedy with huge silent tears rolling down her face and into that enormous cleavage until they trespassed her, or let her resume her fringe position.

God, I am long winded.

Roller