Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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School project on evolution

by Leonie1234 in

hey!.

first of all i want to mention that i'm not a member of the jehovahs witnesses.

however i'm open and non-judgemental towards any kind of religion.

Most of the arguments in favor of creation will often use a strawman approach: That is, to attack a position that someone does not really hold. For instance, they will say that the theory of evolution is "just a theory", making it sound as if it stands on shaky grounds. Or that evolution is a random series of fortuitous, almost miraculous changes. Or that there is no missing link. All these are easily debunked as these arguments are based on dis-information.

You are welcome to search religious teachings. Science is open to you searching facts and has a lot of respect for people who study religions and history. On the other hand, many religious groups, such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses will often dissuade their members to even consider portions of what science teaches calling them out as devil propaganda.

Science believes in the truth being challenged. If it is indeed the truth, it will withstand challenges.

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What Makes. Person A Pedophile?

by minimus in

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it seems the news always has another report of a pedo stalking children or hurting them.

i know this has gone on forever but i read another report of an illegal alien with a history of abuse taking advantage of another poor child.. i just don’t understand why some people do this.

is there an actual brain abnormality?

StephaneLaliberte

RubaDub, based on your logic, we should kill everyone who ever fantasized about killing someone else. I mean, they are potential murderers, are they not? So, why not kill them in case they act on their urges.

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What Makes. Person A Pedophile?

by minimus in

jw
friends

it seems the news always has another report of a pedo stalking children or hurting them.

i know this has gone on forever but i read another report of an illegal alien with a history of abuse taking advantage of another poor child.. i just don’t understand why some people do this.

is there an actual brain abnormality?

StephaneLaliberte

Pedophiles don’t choose their sexual orientation in the same way LGBTQ+ don’t choose theirs. The difference however is that pedophiles cannot act on their desires.

A doctor in Quebec reported on radio that for every pedophiles that acted on their desires, there were 10 more that didn’t.

While I understand the desire for capital punishment on those who act on their desires, I believe that the others need help, they need to be understood and have the support of their friends and families.

For instance, many people know someone who quit drinking all together as they have a problem with alcohol. You won’t offer alcohol to them and perhaps won’t even drink in their presence! The same goes with pedophiles. If Uncle Johnny is a pedophiles, I’ll make sure not to leave him alone with the kids and won’t create scenarios that will make it difficult for him.

We need to work on prevention, accepting them for who they are. This will empower them to seek the help they need, including therapies and, perhaps, even voluntary chemical castration.

In essence, it is not by calling these people out as monsters that we will reduce the occurrence of the crime.

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Donating Blood a Disfellowshipping Offense?

by HiddenPimo in

when i served as an elder i never heard of this scenario presenting itself - giving blood.. has anyone heard of a judicial case where a person donated and was disfellowshipped?

are there any references to this in the jw publications, manuals, handbooks?.

not so hiddenpimo :-).

StephaneLaliberte

What about providing our blood for a Health check up.

Interesting point. If they were taking the law of the bible to the letter, they would indeed be against this type of usage for blood. However, like their rule on the "Sub components of blood", they decided to draw the line there, because they said so.

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Donating Blood a Disfellowshipping Offense?

by HiddenPimo in

when i served as an elder i never heard of this scenario presenting itself - giving blood.. has anyone heard of a judicial case where a person donated and was disfellowshipped?

are there any references to this in the jw publications, manuals, handbooks?.

not so hiddenpimo :-).

StephaneLaliberte

Once blood exits your system, your supposed to "throw it away on the ground". You are not allowed to store your own blood because of this. Hence, giving blood would be a disfellowshipping offence.

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What triggered your awaking?

by Fadeaway1962 in

i was listening to a radio show about a jw women who had been disfellowshiped , her daughter cut off all contact ,must admit at the time i thought so what.. then this man phoned up and explained he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws being ngo in the united nations during 90s till early 2000s when a newspaper exposed them , i still thought he's a apostate but looked it up found the article then found this forum and even more info..

StephaneLaliberte

I was on this site for a good 8 years before I called it quit. I was happily living in the gray zone, taking what I liked and ignoring the bad stuff. Then, as my kids grew, I realized that I could not discuss this gray zone with my kids. I could not explain to them all the things I didn’t believe and all the bad things the WT does. Doing so would bring about the very real possibility of getting disfellowshipped for apostacy. So, I came to understand that if I stayed, I would effectively hand over my kids to 8 guys in New York that I didn’t even know.

So I quit.

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News Reports are "Apostate Lies"

by truth_b_known in

with the most recent investigative news report show entitled "the witnesses" i noticed a number of posters whose family members are pimi refer to such shows as "apostate lies.

" even the governing body (possibly loesch) made such a statement (possibly on jw broadcasting).

i was thinking of how to reply to such a statement.. first, ask "who is the apostate?

StephaneLaliberte

In the end, I think it works against them... One of the reasons I left is exactly that attitude. Had I not left, I would have raised my kids in this. So, in the end, they didn't loose one guy, they lost 4 people (Me, my wife and kids).

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Watchtower issues take down notice!!!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f7jloq/breaking_watchtower_issues_dmca_takedown_to/.

zing.

StephaneLaliberte

This explains why Loyd Evens (John Cedars) has been able to use a whole lot of WT content in his videos, he takes equal (if not more) time to discuss the JW content presented.

So, it is possible to use WT content, it just needs to fall under the "fair use" provision.

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News Reports are "Apostate Lies"

by truth_b_known in

with the most recent investigative news report show entitled "the witnesses" i noticed a number of posters whose family members are pimi refer to such shows as "apostate lies.

" even the governing body (possibly loesch) made such a statement (possibly on jw broadcasting).

i was thinking of how to reply to such a statement.. first, ask "who is the apostate?

StephaneLaliberte

Data-Dog: I don’t think they hate pedophiles.

By "they", I meant the Rank and Files and the majority of elders. The higher up the power chain they go, they more they get corrupt by their policies and warped justifications to protect the name of ~~their organization~~ Jehovah.

But to the rank and files, this is absolute non sense. This explains that when the Governing body writes "We endevor to report it to the police", they read "We report it to the police". Cause the greater majority would not understand why they don't actually report it to the police.

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News Reports are "Apostate Lies"

by truth_b_known in

with the most recent investigative news report show entitled "the witnesses" i noticed a number of posters whose family members are pimi refer to such shows as "apostate lies.

" even the governing body (possibly loesch) made such a statement (possibly on jw broadcasting).

i was thinking of how to reply to such a statement.. first, ask "who is the apostate?

StephaneLaliberte

When I was in, pedophilia appeared to be a ridiculous accusation by apostates. You can get disfellowshipped for sex, drugs or even smoking... obviously, you will get disfellowshipped for pedophilia. However, I had never considered that most people who get disfellowshipped confessed to their sin. They'll confess to sex, drugs and smoking, but pedophiles are a different breed. Most of them will deny, even when confronted by their victims. And so, the two-witness rule, coupled with the fact that elders don't call the police make it a pedophile heaven. The end result is crazy when you think about it, cause there is no doubt that they do hate pedophiles. The problem is their unwavering adherence to their policies.

Hence, the key is to tell them that there are flaws in the policies that work against them. That no one doubt that they hate pedophiles.