Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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What triggered your awaking?

by Fadeaway1962 in

i was listening to a radio show about a jw women who had been disfellowshiped , her daughter cut off all contact ,must admit at the time i thought so what.. then this man phoned up and explained he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws being ngo in the united nations during 90s till early 2000s when a newspaper exposed them , i still thought he's a apostate but looked it up found the article then found this forum and even more info..

StephaneLaliberte

I was on this site for a good 8 years before I called it quit. I was happily living in the gray zone, taking what I liked and ignoring the bad stuff. Then, as my kids grew, I realized that I could not discuss this gray zone with my kids. I could not explain to them all the things I didn’t believe and all the bad things the WT does. Doing so would bring about the very real possibility of getting disfellowshipped for apostacy. So, I came to understand that if I stayed, I would effectively hand over my kids to 8 guys in New York that I didn’t even know.

So I quit.

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News Reports are "Apostate Lies"

by truth_b_known in

with the most recent investigative news report show entitled "the witnesses" i noticed a number of posters whose family members are pimi refer to such shows as "apostate lies.

" even the governing body (possibly loesch) made such a statement (possibly on jw broadcasting).

i was thinking of how to reply to such a statement.. first, ask "who is the apostate?

StephaneLaliberte

In the end, I think it works against them... One of the reasons I left is exactly that attitude. Had I not left, I would have raised my kids in this. So, in the end, they didn't loose one guy, they lost 4 people (Me, my wife and kids).

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Watchtower issues take down notice!!!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

jw
friends

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f7jloq/breaking_watchtower_issues_dmca_takedown_to/.

zing.

StephaneLaliberte

This explains why Loyd Evens (John Cedars) has been able to use a whole lot of WT content in his videos, he takes equal (if not more) time to discuss the JW content presented.

So, it is possible to use WT content, it just needs to fall under the "fair use" provision.

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News Reports are "Apostate Lies"

by truth_b_known in

with the most recent investigative news report show entitled "the witnesses" i noticed a number of posters whose family members are pimi refer to such shows as "apostate lies.

" even the governing body (possibly loesch) made such a statement (possibly on jw broadcasting).

i was thinking of how to reply to such a statement.. first, ask "who is the apostate?

StephaneLaliberte

Data-Dog: I don’t think they hate pedophiles.

By "they", I meant the Rank and Files and the majority of elders. The higher up the power chain they go, they more they get corrupt by their policies and warped justifications to protect the name of ~~their organization~~ Jehovah.

But to the rank and files, this is absolute non sense. This explains that when the Governing body writes "We endevor to report it to the police", they read "We report it to the police". Cause the greater majority would not understand why they don't actually report it to the police.

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News Reports are "Apostate Lies"

by truth_b_known in

with the most recent investigative news report show entitled "the witnesses" i noticed a number of posters whose family members are pimi refer to such shows as "apostate lies.

" even the governing body (possibly loesch) made such a statement (possibly on jw broadcasting).

i was thinking of how to reply to such a statement.. first, ask "who is the apostate?

StephaneLaliberte

When I was in, pedophilia appeared to be a ridiculous accusation by apostates. You can get disfellowshipped for sex, drugs or even smoking... obviously, you will get disfellowshipped for pedophilia. However, I had never considered that most people who get disfellowshipped confessed to their sin. They'll confess to sex, drugs and smoking, but pedophiles are a different breed. Most of them will deny, even when confronted by their victims. And so, the two-witness rule, coupled with the fact that elders don't call the police make it a pedophile heaven. The end result is crazy when you think about it, cause there is no doubt that they do hate pedophiles. The problem is their unwavering adherence to their policies.

Hence, the key is to tell them that there are flaws in the policies that work against them. That no one doubt that they hate pedophiles.

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Name one POSITIVE thing you took from your experience as a Witness

by geodude in

i was thinking about this at work the other day, and realized the one positive thing i can truly credit the jws with: .

i have no fear of public speaking.

i was a shy kid, fat, clumsy, with crooked glasses and worse teeth, who wore hand-me-downs in one of the wealthiest counties in all of america, who sat still while classmates got up to salute the flag or recite the pledge of allegiance.

StephaneLaliberte

Public speaking
Public reading
Reading alot
Sales (aka: Preaching)

Than, there are also other things that I have gained by leaving the JWs.

See through manipulative organizations and self deception (religions, employers, etc)
See through doublespeachs
Stand up for my personal beliefs
See through fake friends
Understand the true value of family

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Unwritten, congregational 'rules'

by Thetruthhurts in

what were some of yours?

the big one in our hall was no frontal hugs!

these were generally thought of as inappropriate, only side hugs should be given between sisters and brothers.

StephaneLaliberte

LongHairGal: The reason for the ‘no frontal hugs’ is because it is a way for nervy guys to feel a woman’s breasts against their body

I can attest that this is true. I had to take a brother aside to tell him to leave my wife alone or we'd both land in a judicial committee: Him for uncleanness and me for excessive violence.

He never touched her again.

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Unwritten, congregational 'rules'

by Thetruthhurts in

what were some of yours?

the big one in our hall was no frontal hugs!

these were generally thought of as inappropriate, only side hugs should be given between sisters and brothers.

StephaneLaliberte

That CO single handily virtually eliminated the picnics.

That is crazy! Some of best memories I have as a kid were those congregation picnics where we'd play baseball. Even the watchtowers are full of pictures of "brothers and sisters" out in different parks here and there.

What the heck was wrong with that area? That is seriously messed up.

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Watchtower issues take down notice!!!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

jw
friends

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f7jloq/breaking_watchtower_issues_dmca_takedown_to/.

zing.

StephaneLaliberte

The WT's way of fighting dirty was one of the things that made me loose trust in them. There was a site back in the days, called watchtowerquotes.org. That site was a library of quotes, in context, of the watchtower, on various topics. Only quotes, no comments, thus, no "apostate lies". Then, they sued the guy for a 100k and he took the site down.

I was an active JWs at the time and was more troubled by the WT's actions than the quotes themselves. Copyright laws were put in place to protect author's income through their intelectual property. That is, if the content itself generates revenue, that revenue should be controled by the author. However, when it comes to religious teachings, it is obvious that WT is using it to shut people up.

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Unwritten, congregational 'rules'

by Thetruthhurts in

what were some of yours?

the big one in our hall was no frontal hugs!

these were generally thought of as inappropriate, only side hugs should be given between sisters and brothers.

StephaneLaliberte

Some sisters organized an 80s party where everyone were supposed to dress up as in the 80s. A brother complained that is was the same as a masquerade ball, which the WT frowns upon. Result: half of the people didn't show up to the party and the majority who did were dressed normally.

That was among the stupidest things I've seen and heard.