If I get a visit from them, I'll say this:
"I know I told you, 12 years ago, that I needed time, and, would you believe it? I still need more time!".
StephaneLaliberte
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Re-activate me?
by punkofnice inthere was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.
i guess to re-activate me.
once they said who they were i recognised them.
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August issue is now up on JW.com
by ozziepost injust a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.
cheers,.
ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
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August issue is now up on JW.com
by ozziepost injust a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.
cheers,.
ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
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StephaneLaliberte
To me, the most interesting article was the last one.
From what I see, they won't disfellowship as much as before, and when they do, it will be for shorter periods, provided the sinner stops sinning and expresses the desire to return.
However, people wanting to leave the religion will be completely shunned, as has been the case since the 1980s—no changes there. It’s still very much a cult.
Notice that when they mention apostates, they write: "apostates and others who actively promote false teachings and wrong conduct." The definition of an apostate is not "those actively promoting..." It is merely what any dictionary will tell you: "a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle." In other words, people who no longer want to be considered Jehovah’s Witnesses.
According to that article, apostates are comparable to child molesters/abusers and those who scheme to end a marriage—in other words, the scum of the earth. So, there you have it: you can't leave. They will shun you.
I don't see how this is supposed to soften their position with governments that condemn them for this. All they did is soften their position on sinners.
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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers
by ukpimo inbig news.
just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
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StephaneLaliberte
The way I see it, they are trying to confuse outsiders about disfellowshipping. However, in the process, they are also confusing their own members. Zero contact is easy to understand. But saying you can greet someone at the hall or encourage them to return to being a Jehovah's Witness is not exactly clear. This doesn't make the rule easier to enforce either. So, I expect a lot of people will start breaking that rule.
"I saw you eating at the restaurant with your kid."
"But we talked about how he could come back to Jehovah!"
It's not black and white anymore. They're trying to confuse the governments and lawmakers, and are confusing themselves in the process.
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JWs obtaining fake degrees from a US institution to teach English as a foreign language
by truthseeker inteaching english as a foreign language in asian countries is quite popular for those looking to travel and explore and make some money.
if you have the tefl qualification you're pretty much good to go and don't need a degree.i don't know how lucrative these overseas jobs are but i do know one jw from my congregation in england who decided to move to the caribbean and teach english as a foreign language.
i'm not knocking this individual.
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Most of the education industry is pure garbage, even the official ones.
I often have "educated" individuals working for me on various IT projects, and what I've learned is that higher education simply helps you get started on a particular job somewhere. Earning that diploma means you've reached the starting line, not the finish line. It doesn't guarantee success; it merely provides the basic qualifications needed to begin.
Sure, co-op programs can help, but sometimes, these programs set expectations so low, they hardly provide real work experience.
Western countries boast that they have free basic education. But do they? Most jobs worth having today need more than high school. That's why college and university should be considered basic: you learn the basics needed to start at a job. Come to think of it, the only thing I'd truly considered "higher" education are PhDs and people working in Research and Development fields.
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Donald Sutherland RIP. THE Donald
by Slidin Fast incertainly amongst the best actors ever.
probably the best.
kelly's heroes and don't look now a couple of my favourites.
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StephaneLaliberte
Never thought I'd see all these great heroes from my childhood grow old and die like this.
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I was expecting them to burn at Armageddon.
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JWs Tortured in Russia
by blondie inhttps://www.upi.com/top_news/world-news/2024/06/16/russia-tortures-jehovahs-witness/3971718239875/ .
russia is amping up to severe torture for jws.
i don't think this is appropriate behaviour for anyone..
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That's one thing I liked about the movie Silence (2016) with Andrew Garfield. It shows Christians being tortured in Japan. It is horrible what happened to them, and I hope that JWs watching a movie like that would realize that people's ability to remain steadfast, even under torture, doesn't make their belief truth.
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A Fun Topic: BEFORE God
by Terry inyuh gotta start somewhere, right?.
big bang theory is not a theory of the creation of the universe, but rather a model of the history and evolution of the universe from its earliest moments.
it wasn't really until the time of st. augustine that the idea of "out of nothing" entered the discussion.. a reading of genesis doesn't force the "out of nothing" into it at all.. in fact, a kind of chaotic "something" was put into form - or - something out of "something", the way adam is formed from red mud and eve from the rib.
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StephaneLaliberte
Thanks for this great post Terry. I'm going to bookmark this post as it is obvious to me that I'll need much more time to thing about it then what I have this morning, but very, very interesting.
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2024-Declare-The-Good-News-Convention-Transcript!
by Atlantis in2024-declare-the-good-news-convention-transcript.. 387 pages long, bookmarked and searchable.. .
https://pdfupload.io/docs/97e30a94 .
grandpa!.
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StephaneLaliberte
Saturday Morning, page 6 is a prime example of their hypocrisy!
They give an example of a sister who died while giving birth, and people around assumed it was due to rejecting a blood transfusion. People judged and were aggressive with them until the doctors confirmed that the cause of death was something else; they didn't bother mentioning what it was. When people realized they were wrong about the JWs, they changed their minds, and some even became JWs themselves.
Here, they are clearly manipulating the information. They make it seem like those who are denouncing the Jehovah's Witnesses for the higher risk of maternal death are spreading harmful gossip! Hey, even the doctor said she died of something else!
In the meantime, doctors all over the world are denouncing that the JWs are indeed at greater risk.
For instance, the Singla et al. (2001) study concludes
Women who are Jehovah's Witnesses are at a 44-fold increased risk of maternal death,
If they truly believe that Jehovah is asking you to lay down your life in such a manner, then they shouldn't be afraid to present the facts to their followers.
"Yes brothers and sisters, many of us will die, many will grow up without their mothers, and many husbands will raise their children without their loved one by their side. But this is the sacrifice that Jehovah is asking of us in order to respect the sacredness that blood represents.
If they did this, I'd actually respect them for it. At least they'd be honest about it. Full-grown adults would be making that decision with all the facts in front of them. Instead, once in the hospital, professionals present them with these facts, and they don't believe it!
Even when it does happen, they still don't believe it!
For example, there's a sister that died that way in Quebec (Éloïse Dupuis). My dad was telling me that what we heard on the news were all lies. In fact, he saw the father of the victim give a testimony at a convention and confirmed it was all lies! Well, he believed this until I gave him a copy of the coroner's report. In that report, after carefully researching all the facts, the coroner concluded that she did, in fact, die, in agony, due to rejecting blood.
Obviously, that report was too damming for Eloise's family, so they chose to believe that the whole hospital and the coroner were wrong.
On the other hand, when a doctor reaches a conclusion they want, then they share it all over the world in their district convention!
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UK Blood Scandal inquiry findings
by ukpimo inhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69025640.
how do you feel about this latest inquiry?
although we expect jehovah's witnesses to use this opportunity to say "we were right all this time", it's nonetheless a historic blow to the nhs.
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StephaneLaliberte
A certain percentage of people received infected blood over a 20 year period. Of those people, 10% died.
It doesn't explain
- the percentage of people that received infected blood vs total transfusions.
- how long the victims lived after receiving blood transfusions.
- how many would have died without blood transfusions.
- how many had co-mortality issues
Also, the report concluded that the disaster should have been largely avoided. The article doesn't quantify the word largely. 90 percent? 80 percent? Would this mean that the true number of victims (those who died) would be 2,400 instead of 3,000?
Of course its bad, its very bad! The victims deserve full reparations. However, we need to be realists here and acknowledge that medical progress has helped people in general live much longer than they ever did in the past. Obviously, it doesn't give NHS a free pass to lie and cover up things. That's why there must be consequences. Still, the severity of this situation can be measured and reported better than what I've seen from this article.
As for JW speakers all over the world, they without a doubt use this and make it sound like you will definitely get AIDS if you get a blood transfusion.