Posts by Watkins

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Do you stll read the Magazines?

by Save My Soul in

i recently stopped because of the large amount of recycled information.

do you still read them?

i really need some new light!!!

Watkins

ps - there is no 'new light'. Jesus Christ is THE light, and through him we may become 'enlightened' - but 'new light' is a WT invention - and they shine a false light directed onto themselves, even adding to the 'Good News' about 1914 - pure BS. They have no part in man's salvation - what a grand lie they've manufactured! Jesus is THE Way, Truth and Life - and Light. You certainly shouldn't depend on the WT for light - they are in darkness concerning the Messiah. Read your Bible for yourself - read Jesus' words - answer his call to 'come to me'. He'll shine some light on you! As that Cajun Chef would say - "I gar-own-tee it"!

Watkins

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Do you stll read the Magazines?

by Save My Soul in

i recently stopped because of the large amount of recycled information.

do you still read them?

i really need some new light!!!

Watkins

No. There's an elderly couple at my old KH that occasionally send me a mag in the mail - one that has a particular article on 'coming back to the organisation' usually, and they urge me to read it and take it to heart... HOWEVER - I don't want to keep going over and over all this stuff that I don't believe anymore and jamb my mind full of useless and false info. Generally I can get about 3 paragraphs into an article before they bring the F&DS into the picture and I toss it.(my cookies AND the mag!) I just can't stomach it anymore - it's not TRUTH no matter what a nice package it comes in.

If there's anything of interest it will be posted here or another forum anyway. I always read Blondie's comments on the study articles - really that's TOO much information - lolol.

I'm actually just now getting to the point that I'm thinking I need to completely make a break with anything to do with the WT - it's been 6 years since I learned of the UN/NGO and Silent Lambs. 6 long years of hashing and rehashing every WT doctrine - it's enough - I'm thoroughly convinced that I didn't make a mistake in running away.

Wonder why I'm still drawn to these forums tho' - I really do like to read and discuss spiritual things - and I live out in the 'boon-docks' with no one to talk to about such things. So here I am. I've tried other (non-JW)Christian forums - and they're the same or worse than JW's with their condescending attitudes and willingness to send to to 'hell' if you don't agree with them - they're all the same really - different wolves in different sheep skins.

Sorry about going off topic there - just a small tangent...

The answer's still 'NO'. Lol.

Watkins

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More FEARmongering.....

by R.F. in

i've missed meetings consistently for about 2 months now.

my ex-fiancee just left a energy-filled voicemail.

she said........... "please come back to the meetings!

Watkins

I've been told this too... Some of 'em(especially at the top) just aren't too smart to come up with this kind of thing.

What if the GT started at say - 7PM EST(in the USA), on a Thursday. All good JW's in that time zone would be at their KH's, right? What about everyone in other time zones? They'd still be at work or doing whatever at home.. What about others all around the world - or would Jehovah miraculously bend time so it all happens in sync? That scare tactic doesn't make sense at all when you think about it - but they don't. Someone said it from the platform and now everyone's copying that phrase of 'pure language' they bandy about.

Fear - you got that right RF. I'd tell her that you don't FEAR God - you TRUST Him. It's a whole other thing... a good thing.

Watkins

ps - Danny - all churches believe they are the one true house of God. The only ones who have anything to fear are the ones who know they don't 'handle the word of God aright' and continue to mishandle it because THEY get something - it's all about pride imho. And WTBTS is only one of 'em. ALL religion IS a snare and a racket!

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-15-07 WT Study (Grayheadedness)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 7-15-07 wt study (june 1, 2007, pages 21-25)thriving during grayheadness)).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

Watkins

an abundance of comments that provoked the question, "Where's Jesus?"

It's stupifying how well a so-called 'Christian religion' can omit Jesus Christ from consideration if at all possible. The WT shows it IS possible. I was dumfounded on last week's study when the ransom sacrifice was discussed in one paragraph, as proof of Jehovah's love, while not mentioning Jesus' name at all - he being 'the Son of His love'!!!

Oh well, we KNOW where Jesus is and it's not with the WTBTS. They are afraid we might come to really know him and leave the WTBTS in our dust. Well, too late WTBTS, see that dust cloud rising?!!

Thanks Blondie, my appreciation for all you do.

And thanks for the tech help last week 'Gopher' - I think I got it! Now... how do I change colors? When I click on the 'font color' thingy nothing happens... I'm so hopeless... Maybe it's not me - maybe it's this stupid computer - yeah, that's it!

Watkins

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When you were a dub, did you shun DF/DA'd people?

by exwitless in

actually, in my 14 years as a dub, it only came up with one person in our cong.

who got pregnant out of wedlock (and used drugs during pregnancy).

she was df'd but still came to most meetings.

Watkins

Once. It was actually two times in one - my first and last. It felt awful and I was ashamed afterwards. In hindsight though, it was a key point in my exit when I realised I'd never be a good JW, 'cause I vowed never ever to do that again. Wasn't long after that episode, when I'd been absent from the meetings for a couple of months, that I got it back - saw a dub sister at the grocery store with her 2 kids - they all looked through me like I wasn't there. It made me mad... then I realised they were just doing the good JW thing - fear. When in doubt about someone's "standing in the congregation", it's better to shun without question or hesitation than to later find out that you spoke to, and maybe even smiled at, someone that Jehovah "hates" - yikes! That would make Jehovah sad. Yeah right.

No, I really mean - that just ain't right.

Watkins

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The things that are Wrong with being a JW

by jwfacts in

i have been working on this article for quite some time as it kept getting longer and longer.

if you do not have time to read it all can you please just scan the headings and tell me if there is anything that i have missed.. .

Watkins

I'm pretty good at spotting typos - shoulda been a proof-reader or something. I didn't read it word-for-word, but found one mistake in your heading: "Never Growing Old Or Dieing". It should be 'dying'. Content is good. One thing about the holy spirit thing tho' - wasn't there an article within the last year that made it sound like just any witness could pray for and receive holy spirit? I remember because it kinda surprised me because I knew they don't think of it like that. But then, they must have someone reading the net - I've noticed many topics that are most talked about here end up as mag. articles trying to smooth things over to the r & f - damage control. jmho.

for jwfacts from Watkins

ps - your site is awesome!

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-1-07 WT Study (SUFFERING END SOON)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 7-1-07 wt study (may 15, 2007, pages 21-25)(suffering soon to end).

where is the love?.

17) "god is love.

Watkins

I wonder why my quote boxes didn't work? Oh well - sorry for the tough reading...

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-1-07 WT Study (SUFFERING END SOON)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 7-1-07 wt study (may 15, 2007, pages 21-25)(suffering soon to end).

where is the love?.

17) "god is love.

Watkins

[quote]5) First, if the person is particularly disturbed about the prevalence of evil in the world, it is likely that evil has touched him or his loved ones personally. It may be wise, then, to start by showing genuine empathy. The apostle Paul counseled Christians: "Weep with people who weep." (Romans 12: 15) Showing empathy, or "fellow feeling," may touch the person. (1 Peter 3:8) If he understands that we care about him, he is more likely to listen to what we have to say.[/quote] Yes, a wise move to make a show of empathy so they'll be sucked into it led by their emotions, played up all the more by love-bombing the new recruits. If they don't cow-tow totally to the WTS leadership, then dust off your shoes! True love is a seldom seen emotion - df someone and it can change in a twinkling of an eye to justifiable hatred.

9) Once you have laid such groundwork, you may find that your listener is ready to learn why God allows suffering to continue. To help you, "the faithful and discreet slave" has provided a number of tools. (Matthew 24:45-47) For instance, at the "Godly Obedience" District Convention of 2005/06, a tract entitled All Suffering Soon to End! was released. If this tract is available in your language, why not familiarize yourself with its contents? Similarly, the book What Does the Bible Really Teach?, now available in 157 languages, devotes a chapter to this important question. Make full use of such tools. They clearly explain the Scriptural background of the issue of universal sovereignty that was raised in Eden and why Jehovah handled that challenge as he did. Keep in mind, too, that as you discuss this subject, you are opening up to your listener the most important field of knowledge there is. It is the knowledge of Jehovah and his wonderful qualities.

Once you have laid such groundwork--laid the trap, it is time to spring it.

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Yes, every false premise is laid atop another equally false premise - all built on the sand. And all hail what the F&DS has provided for you - hmm - that sounds so very similar to Moses claiming responsibility for the water in the desert - so they've placed themselves in his seat and are handing out the law now - knowledge of the law that saves, not Jesus. How about reading the Bible to see what the Bible really teaches? Sheesh... Gotta sell those books! Blind guides....

[quote]15) Could anyone in the universe address the rebellion with greater wisdom than Jehovah? Some people might propose their own "solutions" to the rebellion in Eden. In doing so, however, would they not be suggesting that they could think of better ways to handle the issue? They might not do so out of a wicked motive, but they do not have an understanding of Jehovah and his awe-inspiring wisdom. In writing to Christians in Rome, the apostle Paul delved deeply into God's wisdom, including the "sacred secret" regarding Jehovah's purpose to use the Messianic Kingdom to bring about the redemption of faithful mankind and to sanctify His holy name. How did Paul feel about the wisdom of the God who devised this purpose? The apostle concluded his letter with these words: "To God, wise alone, be the glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen."-Romans 11:25; 16:25-27.

They do not have an understand of Jehovah--Where's Jesus?[/quote]

They don't understand God either. There is no understanding of God without Jesus.

[quote]17) "God is love." (1 John 4:8) With those striking words, the Bible identifies Jehovah's dominant quality, the quality that is the most appealing of them all and the most comforting for those troubled by the prevalence of wickedness. Jehovah has shown love in every aspect of the way he has handled sin's terrible blight upon his creation. Love moved Jehovah to give hope to the sinful offspring of Adam and Eve, providing them with a means to approach Him and come into an approved relationship with Him. Love moved God to provide a ransom that would open the way for full forgiveness of sins and restoration to perfect, everlasting life. (John 3:16) And love has moved him to be patient with mankind, giving as many as possible the opportunity to reject Satan and choose Jehovah as their Sovereign.-2 Peter 3:9.

Where was the love when David's son died for the sins of David and Bathsheba?

John 3:16--the WTS discusses this scripture managing not to even mention Jesus?

Ransom is viewed as a tool not a person who gave up his life for us.[/quote]

Amazing - I'm speechless over this one - but shuddering....

Thanks Blondie, for keeping all up-to-date. It must take it's toll on you... I'm so sorry - try hard not to dwell on it... If I had my 'druthers' I'd never read another WT article - but it is beneficial to be aware of what's being said - it'll be the next new thing they'll use to attack faders and df'd, da'd ones. They lift cliches and 'pure language' one-liners out of each WT mag. Round and round we go.... I simply cannot wait for the resurrection piece - oh boy.

Watkins

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Why isn' the name "Jehovah" used?

by MichaelM in

is it because many believe that jesus christ / god / holy spirit are all one being, and after jesus christ was born they stopped using god's name and put all focus on jesus?

.

Watkins

Didn't I read somewhere that the letter "J" wasn't even invented until around 700 AD? Yumpin' Yehosophat! So how could Yehoshua possibly have ever uttered the name of his Father as "Jehovah"??? When he said in prayer that he'd made his Father's name known to his disciples - how do we know he didn't instruct them to use the name 'Father'? My Dad's name was Kenny - but I called him father, never his given name - that would've been seen as very disrespectful. Just a thought...

I once read a website that proclaimed of The Name YHWH: 'it's pronounced just like it's spelled' - that being Yahoweh, or (YHVH)Yahoveh.

That makes sense to me.... but I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure God knows exactly Who's being addressed as He listens to prayers... he reads the heart's intent, and understands all of mankind's languages, especially the 'pure language' of love.

It's still pretty unbelievable to me that Israel 'lost' the proper pronunciation of the Name - inconceivable to my mind... but maybe they intentionally obscured or hid it - I just don't know. I do think that whatever we believe the Name to be and whatever Name we use in prayer and worship - He still knows we're talking to Him. I often tell Him that I love all of His Names because I believe they are spoken by those who love Him with only the best of intentions and love and respect for Him.

Watkins

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JWs vs. Jesus Christ

by R.F. in

choosing life made a statement in another thread saying that just mentioning jesus too much will get you a concerned look from other jws.

i thought "oh how true that is!

" the thing that is intriguing to me is the fact jws are so quick to state that they are the closest thing to first century christianity.

Watkins

Thanks LiveLife - but you started it!

But wait! There's more! Lol - an info-mercial for Jesus!

From what source does Jesus receive his glory? From men? Uh, no... (John 5:41)

John 17:22,24 - And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

1 Peter 1:20-21 - He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

2 Peter 1:17 - For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” [NKJV]

Matthew 24:30 - Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 25:31 - “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.

Luke 9:26 - For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father’s, and of the holy angels.

John 2:11 - This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him.

Hebrews 3:3 - For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house.

Psalms 2:11,12 - Serve the LORD with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

John 22,23 - For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all shouldhonor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

I'm sooo tired of being accused of assigning too much honor and glory to the Son of God. There's no such thing as too much - it's like being accused of being too happy! This does not mean that I think Jesus is God - I don't. But he is far and away the subject of more honor and glory than the WT teaches - they are in grave error in this matter, imho. I've heard the fear behind the comments on this subject - fear of honoring the Son more than the Father - but folks, as we see from the above scriptures - that's an impossibility! It's not an all for the One and nothing for the other proposition - there is a balance to be found and I pray that all do find it. There is no fear in love - so if you love Jehovah, you must have no fear in loving His Son. There is no way to give glory to Christ Jesus while forgetting where his glory originates. To accknowledge Jesus is not taking anything away from Jehovah - it's His plan to start with for Heaven's sake! He's the One that made His Son the subject of our love, because he is 'the Son of His love', and our love for the Son transfers to our Father also - they're in this together - they 'are one' - inseparable! They glorify each other! Everything is through the Son - our worship, our faith and belief - it's all through Jesus, because of Jesus - he is THE Way, the only Way to reconciliation with God and our ultimate salvation. If you think you can 'climb up' while holding him at arm's length you're mistaken - misled by the wtbts' devaluation. Please read the gospels without any WT guides - just read it. The WT literature doesn't hi-lite the scriptures that focus our attention on Jesus' God-given glory. They only reinterate the verses that uphold their teachings on the subject. But if you just read Jesus' own words, I swear - in short order you'll be marveling over all those verses that you seem to be reading for the very first time... "Wow - were those verses always in there?" Lol - it will absolutely amaze you, I promise. Be prepared - the scriptures themselves, read in context, will overturn some previously held 'notions' that you were taught by the WT. But the Word holds, reveals, and leads us to the truth. And Jesus Christ IS the Truth. The scriptures say that he must know us. Now, how is he going to know us if we don't accknowledge him with the same love, honor and glory assigned him by his own Father, as we are instructed to do by the very God we claim to know and love?

Just some additional thoughts...

Watkins