When one of the questions on the long form application to Gilead asked if I supported 100% the faithful and discreet slave and believed it to be the only channel YHWH was using.
did that form ask you if you supported Jehovah & Jesus 100%?
still_in74
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Moments of Epiphany... and other touchstones in life...
by AK - Jeff inwhen i realized that 1975 was past, and the end appeared no closer than before.when a boe made up of men i had 'served' with for better than a decade were willing to write a letter of 'recommedation' that was character assassination at it's finest, and then defend the lies within with a straight face and no remorse.when i began to notice that many of the 'friends' seemed mentally unstable, in an organization that claimed it offered the greatest hope for mankind and the 'only true brotherhood' of supporter's available.when i saw a 'bible student' who was refused any assistance in her move to another congregation because of her sins before she was ever baptized [she never was in fact].when i was 'allowed' to conduct funerals and weddings that needed a minister, but for people who were too soiled in one way or another for the self-righteous upper-crust elders to touch.
yet they all attended and seemed to rejoice/mourn with all others in attendance.the day in the early 90's when i read a critique of jehovah's witnesses in which the author roundly condemned jw's eschatology regarding the '1914 generation', and in such article stated that they would have to renounce such foolish reasoning soon, before the end of the century to avoid being the 'relgious laughingstock' of the world.the day in 1995 when i saw his predictions come precisely true in the watchtower.when i watched and saw no other jw's bothered by this massive change in position.the months that i compiled a chart in which, using actuarial mortality figures, in which i applied the numbers, age-group by age-group to the 'annointed' from 1941 to 2002, and saw that it was empirically impossible for 8500 to still be alive.the month in which i read ray franz' books, and found myself aware that my life was about to change forever.october 2006, when after 3 years of 'fading' and staying out of sight, i submitted my letter of disassociation, and saw a look of happiness on the face of the friend-elder that took the document, though it meant the end of 20 years of personal friendship with him.the day my cousin - my best friend for 35 years - decided i was unworthy of even a reply to a simple email.the list is longer.
but so theraputic to put in words.
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Moments of Epiphany... and other touchstones in life...
by AK - Jeff inwhen i realized that 1975 was past, and the end appeared no closer than before.when a boe made up of men i had 'served' with for better than a decade were willing to write a letter of 'recommedation' that was character assassination at it's finest, and then defend the lies within with a straight face and no remorse.when i began to notice that many of the 'friends' seemed mentally unstable, in an organization that claimed it offered the greatest hope for mankind and the 'only true brotherhood' of supporter's available.when i saw a 'bible student' who was refused any assistance in her move to another congregation because of her sins before she was ever baptized [she never was in fact].when i was 'allowed' to conduct funerals and weddings that needed a minister, but for people who were too soiled in one way or another for the self-righteous upper-crust elders to touch.
yet they all attended and seemed to rejoice/mourn with all others in attendance.the day in the early 90's when i read a critique of jehovah's witnesses in which the author roundly condemned jw's eschatology regarding the '1914 generation', and in such article stated that they would have to renounce such foolish reasoning soon, before the end of the century to avoid being the 'relgious laughingstock' of the world.the day in 1995 when i saw his predictions come precisely true in the watchtower.when i watched and saw no other jw's bothered by this massive change in position.the months that i compiled a chart in which, using actuarial mortality figures, in which i applied the numbers, age-group by age-group to the 'annointed' from 1941 to 2002, and saw that it was empirically impossible for 8500 to still be alive.the month in which i read ray franz' books, and found myself aware that my life was about to change forever.october 2006, when after 3 years of 'fading' and staying out of sight, i submitted my letter of disassociation, and saw a look of happiness on the face of the friend-elder that took the document, though it meant the end of 20 years of personal friendship with him.the day my cousin - my best friend for 35 years - decided i was unworthy of even a reply to a simple email.the list is longer.
but so theraputic to put in words.
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- when i realized that an 'RV' I had in the early 90's wasnt lying when he said the WTS taught in 1925 about a "house in California where dead people were going to resurrected". - an leder said that never happened
- when i realized that the WTS actually DID suggest 1975 as the end (coincidentally first brought to my attn by the above RV almost 20 years ago - same elder told me he was lying) - never acutally volunteered a WTS spin on what he suggested, just avoided it all together
- the day I connected the Generation change of 1995 to 81 years after 1914 and the biblical 'generation' of 70 or 80 years
- the day about a year ago when it finally clicked - the WTS is a buiness making business deicisons based on membership retention
- when I realized that the founders & leaders of my religion were all in some way "wierd" - Russel never consumatiing his marriage, Rutherford abusive, egomaniacal, alcoholic who abondoned his family, Franz never married & tried to predict the future
- when I connected all major JW doctrinal changes over the past 130 years to the deaths of the then recently deceased president*
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deaden your body member(s)?...jw wifes answer...many jw questions too
by oompa inso we talked briefly by phone after she read this email/letter, and we talked about the masturbation point and married sex stuff....i asked what were the biblical reasons for fds teachings....she said for masturbation it was "deaden therefor your body members"....i said that did not mention masturbations....then it hit me.....crap....masturbation is how you deaden your body members!!
!......esp as a kid....your all excited (horny)....so how do you deaden it?....the answer is obvious.........oompa.
dear wife, please read all of this letter.
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Hi Lance, yes that is defintiley the methodology they employ.
You are aware of what I am talking about though correct? I believe it was Jay Walter that was one of these bethel heavies that were sent out to perform this task - I believe he talks about it in an audio clip on Freeminds.org
If you try to use the WT publications against the WT, then how do know what you believe? A - from the bible. - then show me in the bible what you believe and leave the WT out of it.
By pressing the issue you will 'out' yourself as an apostate and you can no longer open the eyes of JW's in secret (ie: poison the minds of Jehovahs servants) - that is the point of this tactic.
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deaden your body member(s)?...jw wifes answer...many jw questions too
by oompa inso we talked briefly by phone after she read this email/letter, and we talked about the masturbation point and married sex stuff....i asked what were the biblical reasons for fds teachings....she said for masturbation it was "deaden therefor your body members"....i said that did not mention masturbations....then it hit me.....crap....masturbation is how you deaden your body members!!
!......esp as a kid....your all excited (horny)....so how do you deaden it?....the answer is obvious.........oompa.
dear wife, please read all of this letter.
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I have been thinking about some of your questions and something hit me over the head!!! You have the same access to research material as anyone else, why are you asking other people to do your research for you?
Oompa, this may be a leading question. It is a typical "anti-apostate" tactic performed by JW's. A@G may even be able to testify to this. It is factual that bethels send out heavy-hitting elders to homes of apostates feigning ignorance to WTS policies and using "bible studies" as a means to plant doubt into the minds of the study conductors.
This is one of the things they do. Elders & the Society will tell you to do the research and keep it to yourself. If you ask others to do the research alarm bells go off and they return the maieutic by asking why you dont just research the material yourself?
Take this far enough and just reaching for an old WT will stop the conversation with "do you use the WT to prove your faith? To prove what you believe?" you will answer "No, I use the bible" to which they will respond: "then show me in the bible why I am wrong."
They will not let you use the WT publications. If you insist on doing it the end result is your admission of apostasy and the studier will never talk to you again and your home is blacklisted. In your case, "Oompa is no longer a JW" followed by a local needs talk on apostasy and the dangers of independant thinking.
Watch your step...
Still........
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deaden your body member(s)?...jw wifes answer...many jw questions too
by oompa inso we talked briefly by phone after she read this email/letter, and we talked about the masturbation point and married sex stuff....i asked what were the biblical reasons for fds teachings....she said for masturbation it was "deaden therefor your body members"....i said that did not mention masturbations....then it hit me.....crap....masturbation is how you deaden your body members!!
!......esp as a kid....your all excited (horny)....so how do you deaden it?....the answer is obvious.........oompa.
dear wife, please read all of this letter.
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"I woudn`t take fractions," missing the point entirely ,that the fds class allows it
EXACTLY!!!!! THANK YOU! - that is exactly it! I have talked about my "issues" with fractions and people tell me that I should just avoid blood all together if it bothers my conscience - AS IF THATS THE POINT!
Why do so many do this? they say "I just cant imagine taking fractions so I'll put down no blood or fractions of any kind on my medical directive card" - BUT WHY DOES THIS NOT BOTHER THE CONSCIENCE OF THE FDS/GB???????
GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I ALMOST WEPT................................
by Warlock inthe senate okay'd a tax break of $1,553 on the purchase of a $25,000 automobile.. as a matter of fact, my eyes are welling up with tears as i type this line.. warlock .
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well if i lived in the states, and the senate just created a rebate on a car I couldnt afford or was never intending to purchase I guess I would be pretty happy about that. So long as I was one of the people that actually still had a job and i worked for a bailed-out financial company that just gave me a million $ bonus for helping tank the economy in the first place and thus creating that bail-out to begin with.
Ya, I get it now....
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Snapped. It just occurred to me that I REALLY hate my life. Mostly all of it.
by easyreader1970 inhere lately, i have just been wishing that i could just fast-forward through my remaining years on earth and just die to get this nonsense all over with.. i have only myself to blame.
if i had gone through with my attempt to leave this hokey religion about sixteen years ago when i attempted to--before i got married and had kids--then maybe i wouldn't be teetering on the very slippery edge of sanity.
instead i punked out, buckled under the threats of shunning and guilt of abandoning family members, and so here i am--looking into the mirror every morning wondering when the nightmare is going to end.
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easy rider,
reading your story is like me traveling 10 years into the future and writing my own. You have just totally freaked me out.
This is EXACTLY (to the letter) as to what I predict my life could be in 10 years if I dont act now.
You have a PM
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So I told him I am moving out...
by WuzLovesDubs in...and there was no reaction at all.
flat line.
no expression on his face whatsoever.
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still_in74
I'm sure in his mind he's thinking "Is Satan doing this to me ... or is Jehovah punishing me?"
I doubt that. If he thought Satan was testing him he would probably be less apathetic and acutally care about what is happening. He's numb. He is disillusioned about life and likely his faith. He has family all around him that reject his faith and denying the reality of his situation has kept it "not real"
Well now you have made it real. His life is falling apart even though he is doing everything by JW books. He's talkng business (can we afford...?) because he's numb, emotionless, and doesnt know how to respond. Likely he wants it to happen but will never admit to it because that wouldnt be "christian" of him.
Remember, JW's are in the business of waiting. They just wait things out. (wait for new system, on Jehovah, etc) He was just waiting for you to take the first step on this.
Best of luck!
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Is Jesus Jehovah?
by lostsheep82 ini'm watching some youtube video's from newagegamer3018.
before in my research...i watched some of his video's when he was a jw apoligist.
now he has da'd himself and is defending the scriptures, not jw's.. this is the first time ever that i actually am starting to think/beleive that jesus and jehovah are the same thing.
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answer - God, the God-son, the trinity - all of these concepts come from pagan religions that preceeded them. Those sects also stemmed from sun worshippers and astrologers before them.
all relgion comes from myths and legends and astrologers before them. Period.
There is no reason for your existance. The universe owes us/you nothing. Your life is pure circumstance and coincidence.
Dont like that answer? Then keep looking for the true god of the bible that has hundreds of theological similarities to numerous astrological sects spanning millenia before it was written.
Keep looking for the "god-head" the triune god of Christianity and dont worry about all those other triune gods of other religions who's God-son was sent to earth via a virgin birth on Dec 25 during the winter solstice.
Who's god-son died for 3 days and was resurected - just like the actual sun appears to do between Dec 21 & Dec 24 before "resurrecting" to create longer days.
the god-son who had 12 apostles instead of 12 signs of the zodiac, the god-son who would be with us until the end of the age (Pisces) as we look forward to the next age (aquarius).Gnostics wrote stories. Sects were formed around these stories and they were embellished. Sects became powerful cults and rulers contended with them.
Pagan Romans adopted the sect of Christianity to unify the empire. Pagan Romans compiled the bible cannon, deciding for themselves what Christians beleve. These books were translated over & over, mistakes made, modifications made. All other writings of the era were burned so that only the new Roman Christianity would flourish. Christianity is a Pagan religion too. A Pagan myth
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by Warlock inthe senate okay'd a tax break of $1,553 on the purchase of a $25,000 automobile.. as a matter of fact, my eyes are welling up with tears as i type this line.. warlock .
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i dont get it.....