Posts by monophonic

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purple triangles vs. videos on the faithful in malawi

by monophonic in

just a thought i had earlier and mentioned in a comment on a thread..

but i love how the yearbooks and videos jump all over how jws suffered in the name of god and these examples of their faith through ww2, but the malawi massacre is glossed over..

if they were right for their decision they made for the brothers in malawi, don't you think they'd be making messes in their pants at the excitement of showing the world how faithful they were amidst the tyranny?.

monophonic

here's some info on the situation:

http://www.jwfiles.com/malawi.htm

in crisis on conscience by raymond franz, he details everything and includes letters that went back and forth b/t the mexican brothers and the bethel in malawi, the mexican jws were ready to stop bribing officials to get their military service card b/c they felt it was worse than what the jws in malawi were getting massacred for...which was true, and the governing body was split on the decision on what the jws in malawi could and couldn't do and by the time the killings started, making a change in policy would've made the wtbts look bad, a governing body member was even quoted saying, 'if we're wrong, at least they are dying for righteousness sake' (double check that, it's from what i remember).

so they had a really brazen attitude and turned a blind eye.

if you were in the jws in the 70's, they had us all writing letters to the king of malawi to stop the killings.....i remember staying up night after night writing letters over and over again when i was five or six years old.

i faded four years before reading or finding out about this (i've been out 8 years) and it was really upsetting....a prayer at every assembly included, 'help our brothers in malawi', it was very high profile at the time, then feels like it was swept under the rug real quickly....against the usualy wtbts track record to go over and over it as how 'we triumphed against them' kind of thing.

rwanda got the publicity b/c it wasn't a wtbts flip decision that hurt the people there.

but the chapters in crisis of conscience bring it all out since franz had the letters and correspondence in his possession.

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purple triangles vs. videos on the faithful in malawi

by monophonic in

just a thought i had earlier and mentioned in a comment on a thread..

but i love how the yearbooks and videos jump all over how jws suffered in the name of god and these examples of their faith through ww2, but the malawi massacre is glossed over..

if they were right for their decision they made for the brothers in malawi, don't you think they'd be making messes in their pants at the excitement of showing the world how faithful they were amidst the tyranny?.

monophonic

just a thought i had earlier and mentioned in a comment on a thread.

but i love how the yearbooks and videos jump all over how jws suffered in the name of god and these examples of their faith through ww2, but the malawi massacre is glossed over.

if they were right for their decision they made for the brothers in malawi, don't you think they'd be making messes in their pants at the excitement of showing the world how faithful they were amidst the tyranny?

but that would bring up too many questions.

and wouldn't they make a video or go on and on about how great it is that the brothers in mexico can gather and pray and use their bibles and sing at meetings now?

but, then they'd have to answer the question when it comes up, why was it a self imposed ban in order to profit monetarily?

maybe the director of 'knocking' could put a treatment together so it'll get appropriate ..spin..

btw, does anyone know the numbers in malawi? are they a growth country in the borg?

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UN + Watchtower as an NGO + conspiracy theory?

by cyberguy in

has anyone reviewed this material?

i think the writer is mistaken on a number of issues!.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/.

monophonic

[If you or I were in front of JC we would not be able to make such excuses for ourselves. So why do they get a pass?]

exactly...i bring that up all the time to my wit relatives....they had me in the back room the minute i went to a concert that seemed wrong to them and i had to explain myself....but that standard isn't imposed on the wtbts.

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Do you Consider yourself "Christian" and what does this imply?

by JH in

i consider myself "christian", but don't know exactly what one must do to please christ and yhwh...

monophonic

i consider myself christian, but decaf agnostic with a buddhist twist.*

we're all suffering, and universal sovereignty theory doesn't make sense to me...would a god of love allow this to continue? who knows, i'm imperfect human and i don't have the answers and the bible leaves them open for interpretation which pisses me off...and the wtbts has steered me wrong enough to really fuck with my head.

in fact, i'm pretty pissed at god, and if things are revealed in my lifetime or if for some reason we get access to god, i'll bow and tell him/her of my wish to give 'im a clock across the jaw for sentencing us to crimes we didn't commit.

christian philosophy, i subscribe to, as well as some buddhist philosophy.

if someone born in a muslim country is killed by god b/c he didn't accept christ, i think that's a load of crap and that's where the bible contradicts itself.

i have hope and faith and i embrace that i'm imperfect, skeptical and claiming christianity is the truth for me would be judging buddhists, hindus, muslims and i'm in no place to judge and particularly in buddhism, there is some great teachings.

i'm not religious, but i read the bible, have read some of the koran and read books on buddhism. i don't think i'll ever be religious or affiliated with a religion again.

*hmm, might have to start my own church

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Elder is calling friends, JC any day now!

by BurnTheShips in

yes, i have been working on "the fade" since before my baby was born in january and trying to keep as low a profile as i can.

will be moving out of the neighborhood soon and i had hoped to disappear.

so anyways, leaving the dubs has not made me lose my faith in god or christ.

monophonic

you could've been at that church for any number of reasons, discussion re: an upcoming funeral or wedding of a worldly relative, etc., just so happened they were having their 'heathen worship' at the same time.

academy award actor face on: "boy, am i glad to have the true religion, i felt icky going in there".

case closed. maybe?

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I did it! and it's your fault

by Hortensia in

i went to the grocery store today - no that's not your fault.. it's 103 degrees today, not bad.

there were three people sitting in the shade in front of the grocery store.

there was a middle aged woman, an older man in a wheelchair, and a thin man whose frozen smile screams "elder.

monophonic

you rock!

i gave up smiling and saying hi to jws on the street, they'd always ignore me b/c they're so focused on workin' them not-at-homes.

when i was "in" and out in service, i would always say hi to people walking by without offering them anything, just to be nice, just to be that one guy to put positivity out there about us jws since "we got such a bad rap in general".

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Here's at least one witness view of Sept KM

by TheListener in

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friends

i found this on beliefnet (public post that you don't have to be a member to view):.

i just read the article and unless we're reading two different articles, what i understood isn't exactly what you understood.

let me expand on that:.

monophonic

what's the url for beliefnet?

i went to beliefnet.com and it doesn't look like a wit site, then belief.net, and that errors out.

btw, we should start a bowling league, jw discussion forum vs. beliefnet...mainly b/c i just want a bowling shirt that says, 'apostate' across the back, and the logos would be a lot of fun to play with.

uh oh, actually good idea, time to find quotes on printing a small bowling shirt run.

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Meetings v Field Service

by IMHO in

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what do/did you see as more important?

there has been so much emphasis of late (for quite a while really) on meeting attendance.

if you miss a meeting, it's a big, big problem, yet if you miss field service for a day, or a week or even a fortnight nothing is said as long as you get that 1 hour in / month.

monophonic

i've been out for a while, what are they saying about meeting attendence?

and isn't it knocked down to 15 minutes a month you can put in for field service? which is obviously to keep the active publishers 'continuing to grow', since it's a lot easier on the conscious to fudge 15 minutes than a whole hour....

[i must have talked to somebody about the bible for 15 minutes last month, wait, i posted on that discussion board, and thought about the post for 29 minutes before writing it, so i'll just put down 30 minutes last month....oh, and that's the second time i posted on that board, so ONE return visit]

but i bet anyone putting 15 minutes on their slip is mostly trying to keep the pressure of the elders off their backs.

i reminded how often they emphasized that it's a 'volunteer orgnanization', like there's no pressure if you don't want to do something their way.

i should make a short horror film called 'the back room'.

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I have a super secret prank for tomorrow's convention

by ColdRedRain in

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friends

i got dragged to the convention with my folks again because i got a court order stating i have to be with my mother at all times.

so tomorrow, i'm playing a prank.

only a few people on this board know what that prank is.

monophonic

so what was it? did i miss your post on what the prank was?

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Should DF'd people talk to other DF'd people??? YOU be the judge...

by slmdf in

ok all... i was in a store looking for bedroom furniture and in walks this former elder with his new woman - they too are shopping for bedroom furniture.

he got df'd like 5 years ago so he has no idea i'm df'd.

recently, i've been thinking about how, when i got df'd, i would sit in the parking lot of the kh waiting for the meeting to start, and so would other df'd people.

monophonic

fjtoth, it always amazed me how quickly the elders acted on 'sins', but when it came to asking for real help on real issues, a snail could out pace them.

it's so great to continue to hear these experiences, although painful for most of us who had to deal with them, it just reinforces that the society has no concern for the individual, one of the main teachings of christianity, it's all about imposing rules on an organization....and if an individual is damaged by that, so be it.

thanks for reinforcing my faith, not to have faith in this dogma pounded into me for over 25 years.