Posts by Pallbearer

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ADAM GROWS OLD

by Titus in

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Pallbearer

Hello Titus,

What I have to say to you has no relevance to the question you asked in the opening post, but it's something that I feel you should be more concerned about because it's far more important. I once believed in the 1914 doctrine, but quit believing it in 1974. I have solid grounds for being able to say very dogmatically that I know for an absolute certainty that the date 1914 did not see the beginning of what Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24. Just as sure as Satan caused a light to shine in the sky (referred to today as the "Star of Bethlehem") as a scheme to have Jesus killed when just a child, he also caused World War I to happen so as to deceive the Watchtower Society into believing that the year 1914 began to see Bible prophecy fulfilled. As you no doubt are aware of, our dear Brother Russell pointed to 1914 as the year that was to see the end of man's system. But of course we know now that that wasn't to be. We also know that if World War I had not happened in that year then the Watchtower Society would have abandoned the 1914 minus 607 = 2,520 years theory. Knowing as I do, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24 has yet to be fulfilled, there can be only one explanation as to why the year 1914 just happened to see a World War take place, something that could easily fool Jesus' disciples of today into thinking that the 1914 date had been confirmed, and which would obviously cause us to retain a tight grip on a date that, in truth, means absolutely nothing. As long as Satan can keep Jesus' disciples into believing a falsehood it is to his advantage, and to our disadvantage. You see, Satan has us busy wasting time preaching something false. I have sent documents to the Writing Department urging them to consider the reasons why World War I could not be what Jesus had in mind at Matthew 24:7. The reason I chose the screen-name "Pallbearer" here is because I hope to help carry the 1914 doctrine to its proper burial site, the garbage dump. If you don't believe me when I say that the 1914 doctrine is garbage, then just wait and see, I guarantee that you WILL sooner or later.

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Does the Watchtower Society teach that people who die at Armageddon will not be resurrected?

by Pallbearer in

question: does the watchtower society teach that people who die at armageddon will not be resurrected?.

please give a "yes" or "no" answer to start with.

then, if your answer is "yes" please document that it is taught with references or quotes from the wts's publications or public talks that have been given.. thank you for any assistance that you can provide..

Pallbearer

Thanks everybody, you were of tremendous help!

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Does the Watchtower Society teach that people who die at Armageddon will not be resurrected?

by Pallbearer in

question: does the watchtower society teach that people who die at armageddon will not be resurrected?.

please give a "yes" or "no" answer to start with.

then, if your answer is "yes" please document that it is taught with references or quotes from the wts's publications or public talks that have been given.. thank you for any assistance that you can provide..

Pallbearer

Question: Does the Watchtower Society teach that people who die at Armageddon will not be resurrected?

Please give a "yes" or "no" answer to start with. Then, if your answer is "yes" please document that it is taught with references or quotes from the WTS's publications or public talks that have been given.

Thank you for any assistance that you can provide.

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Noting discrepancies in Watchtower publications.

by Pallbearer in

here is a link that shows two pages out of the may 1, 1999 watchtower, pages 17 and 18.. http://www.geocities.com/thewatchtowerstudy/wt050199p17-18.htm.

in looking at what is supposed to be the same wild beast, do you see a difference between the one shown on page 17 in comparison to the one shown on the following page?.

the difference i see is that the heads of the beast in the first image are all lion's heads, whereas the heads in the second image are all leopard's heads (notice the spots).. be reminded that these images are in the same magazine.. something like this might seem to be of little significance to many people.

Pallbearer

"Does the bible specify what animal the heads are supposed to look like?"

Excellent question!

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Noting discrepancies in Watchtower publications.

by Pallbearer in

here is a link that shows two pages out of the may 1, 1999 watchtower, pages 17 and 18.. http://www.geocities.com/thewatchtowerstudy/wt050199p17-18.htm.

in looking at what is supposed to be the same wild beast, do you see a difference between the one shown on page 17 in comparison to the one shown on the following page?.

the difference i see is that the heads of the beast in the first image are all lion's heads, whereas the heads in the second image are all leopard's heads (notice the spots).. be reminded that these images are in the same magazine.. something like this might seem to be of little significance to many people.

Pallbearer

Here is a link that shows two pages out of the May 1, 1999 Watchtower, pages 17 and 18.

http://www.geocities.com/thewatchtowerstudy/wt050199p17-18.htm

In looking at what is supposed to be the same wild beast, do you see a difference between the one shown on page 17 in comparison to the one shown on the following page?

The difference I see is that the heads of the beast in the first image are all lion's heads, whereas the heads in the second image are all leopard's heads (notice the spots).

Be reminded that these images are in the same magazine.

Something like this might seem to be of little significance to many people. But me being a person that is interested in accurately understanding the Bible's symbols in every detail, this caught my eye.

Whoever was responsible for putting these two pages together in order to have them published in the Watchtower obviously failed to notice the discrepency.

Did you ever notice this discrepancy before?

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March and April issues of the Watchtower

by Pallbearer in

does anyone know if the march 15 and april 15, 2009 watchtowers (study editions) are online for downloading?.

thanks.

Pallbearer

Thanks just the same, but I'm interested in scanned copies only. And besides the audio versions aren't the Study Editions, are they?

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March and April issues of the Watchtower

by Pallbearer in

does anyone know if the march 15 and april 15, 2009 watchtowers (study editions) are online for downloading?.

thanks.

Pallbearer

Does anyone know if the March 15 and April 15, 2009 Watchtowers (Study Editions) are online for downloading?

Thanks

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A Jehovah Witness serves as Civil Servant in Government Institution What has changed in WT Policy?

by Nick! in

a jehovah witness serves as civil servant in government institution what has changed in wt policy?.

according to the new liberian (see link http://newliberian.com/?p=558#more-558 )an alleged jehovah witness, mr. andrew togba davies, a consummate professional, (who) indeed devoted his entire adult life to public service, working in various capacities as a christian minister, lawyer, educator, diplomat, and national security professional, passed away on january 3, 2009, in monrovia, liberia.

he was 71.. the article specifies that he was a devout christian who, on december 19, 1969, after an ardent course of bible study, dedicated his life to jehovah and served faithfully as one of jehovahs witnesses until his death.. the article continues by saying in 1982, he began his diplomatic service as the liberian special maritime representative to the united states.

Pallbearer

It's not unusual for JWs to be employed by the government . For example, mailmen are government employees also.

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What do you think of the Wise Men NOW!

by wobble in

i have just been watching the carols and readings from kings college cambridge,england, bloody marvellous!.

a couple of times they have referred to the visit of the wise men, i wonder what you guys make of this,it always seemed to me a strange thing to be in scripture,the visit of some devout presumably zoroastrian seers.

the wt take on this is that "satan used them to try to bring about the death of jesus".

Pallbearer

I'm going with it was some sort of apparition created by satan .It wasn't a stationary star ,it moved in front of them ,going to herod first in an effort to kill the youngster jesus ,it did all happen to fullfill the old testament prophesy that there would be a great wailing in Israel and that Jesus would have to be called out of egypt where they went to hide . One would have to ask if herod was stupid for trusting the astrologers to return but I couldn't see God being responsible for the death of all the babies .

That's the way I see it too. So, it seems, that this "apparition" (called a "star") was an object that Satan himself caused to appear in the sky. Any thoughts on that?

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Is going to the worldly funeral conscience mattter? (According to the WT)

by asilentone in

Pallbearer

That thing about churches is one thing I had an issue with.. I once as an active JW was sent to a panic
situation where India ink had been spilled on a carpet (I was a professional carpet cleaner) ( this is a time sensitive
situation with India ink) . Anyway I was seen working in a church by someone .... the whole issue of church
contract work came up.. I told them looking this was a one time emergency situation.. I didn't even know it
was a church til I got there... too late to back out ! This whole thing about conscience of others came up.
I reached a boiling point, pointing out that just a while ago an elder attend a church service (funeral )
because a relative with money wrote in his will that to obtain willed money he must be present at the service !
I told them I call that a bribe.. if you only attend to obtain the money ! I was only in church doing my job
they told me the elder was not there to worship.. either was I... I said.. the whole situation makes me think
of a word that starts with H.... and it's not the word honor !
Caliber

Reading your post reminded me of how my mother-in-law's Will was worded. It stated that her daughter (my wife) was to see to it that the grandchildren were to receive essentially everything (which was mainly in the form of stocks). It poignantly stated that the only thing that her daughter was to receive was the residue of a $5,000.00 checking account after $1,000.00 gift to the American Legion Building Fund was made, and that her daughter was to write out the check. It stated that if her daughter failed to carry out the instructions in the Will that my wife was to receive absolutely nothing. What a bitch I had for a "mother-in-law"!