Posts by Focus

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We're not wrong, right?.............

by flower in

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suddenly i am hit with this overwhelming feeling that we are wrong and that there are logical explanations for all of the things that dont make sense.

aaaah.

this is awful.

Focus

Dear flower

I'm afraid this one is crude, but it best reflects what will await you if you revert to Satan's Organization:

"If you piss into the wind, you are going to end up wet"

So don't be silly, girl... you owe it to yourself, and even to any god that you might still believe in. The Watchtower Creed is a pack of lies and deceit and trickery, from top to bottom. That there are good people within the cult is a tragedy. Do not add to that tragedy.

If you want a theological argument against going back to the Whore, read:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=19844&site=3

and use your brain. If there is no Bible-type God, the Watchtower is a false religion. If there is a Bible-type God, God is instructing you that the Watchtower is a false religion.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=19844&site=3

Get it?

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Focus
( http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/the_list.html Class)

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WHAT IS A JW??

by QUEENIE in

a jw is----- betrayors.headstrong,puffed up with pride, lovers of the watchtower rather than lovers of christ.....mislead....unpaid salespeople for a very rich publishing company company.....robotic follower of the governing body--god head...major consumer group of prozac....

Focus

WHAT IS A JW?

A JW is at all times a member of one of two classes: the Sheep Class and the Wolf Class.

The Sheep Class counts among its members supremely naive and gullible persons, moral cowards (in denial, unwilling to face their own deep inner fears about the cult, which they probably entered at a time of weakness, need or vulnerability), fools, idiots, morons, submissives and spiritual/physical children (the worst luck is for the poor souls born into the cult).

The Wolf Class is that which ~~prays~~preys upon the Sheep Class. They know, to a greater or even greater degree, that the cult is a wicked system of lies, deceit, exploitation and manipulation, but it serves the needs of wolves very well.

Any JW who does not fit into one of these two classes will very soon not be a JW; such transitionals are not classified above.

The one who dares not leave only because friends and/or family are enmeshed and he/she fears the damage to both sides of shunning is no longer a JW in his heart and is so not to be counted.

Anyone who claims that it is essentially more complex than this either is a non-JW idiot/fool/liar/ignoramus (on this subject at least) - or is a member of the Sheep Class (gullible ones) or the Wolf Class (liars).

The same applies to those who claim that almost all are victims and that the Wolf Class is small. It is far from small.

Quite simple.

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Focus
(Leopard who has an appetite for Wolves but not for Sheep Class)

85

All this fighting is worthless

by Danni in

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i posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.

i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.

you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.

Focus

skally wrote:

"not hating the swinish Watchtower enough!"
Ha! You've WITNESSED this too?
sKally, abhoring the Whore klass

But he is much better now.

And any tendency to backslide a little bit is buried once he is aware that a certain foul nocturnal creature is slinking about, keeping its eyes on all borderline WT-sympathizers...

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Focus
(Foul Nocturnal Creature Class)

8

Personality transplants?

by sleepy in

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theres a report in the mail on sunday that states "new study shows how organ patients can take on traits of donors".

it goes on to report on a scientific study were people who recieved organs from dead people took on traits they nether had before but were traits of the donor.. "the doctors say that one explaination is that memory and learning is not restricted to the brain, and that other cells in the body have the ability to store information-so called cellular memory".

some examples are woman with heart lung transpant develops cravings for food she previously didn't like but donor did, 29 year old woman goes from gay to stright after having heart of teenage girl , 47 year old woman develops a giggle the same as 14 year old she recieved heart from.. now i don't know whether there findings are valid or not but if true i wonder whether jw will go back to beleiving the heart is the center of your personnality.. anyway there could be another explaination for this.. maybe the stucture of our organs causes our body to need or desire different things.so the desire is not actually in the organ but the organs stucture puts different demands on the body for nutriants etc, which in turn effect the brain and you desires.

Focus

Thanks for the laugh... As you doubtless realize, sensationalist newspapers print all sorts of "schtuff"; they are paid by the page, and not according to what is on the page. I am sure the studies exist as I have read extracts from one of them... they do not point to the sensationalist results implied by the newspaper.

Here is a little light-hearted "test". Click on:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=cellular%20memory&as_scoring=d
and see the newsgroups where this was discussed most often (the first three being the main ones):

alt.alien.visitors
alt.alien.research
alt.paranet.ufo alt.religion.scientology
alt.clearing.technology (Scientology too)
alt.conspiracy
alt.paranormal.crop-circles
alt.hypnosis
alt.spirituality.circle
alt.religion.asatru
alt.paranormal
alt.ufo
alt.illuminati
alt.society.neutopia
alt.alien.wanderers
alt.religion.asatru
alt.society.neutopia
alt.out-of-body
alt.consciousness.4th-way
alt.philosophy.taoism
alt.games.vampire.the.masquerade
alt.paranormal.reincarnation
alt.tv.x-files.creative
alt.fan.dune
alt.meditation.transcendental
alt.comedy.standup
alt.freemasonry
etc.

Not really the "serious" scientific, medical and psychological groups (hardly any references there) which would be absolutely awash with people talking about "cellular memory" had the studies actually concluded what the newspaper implies they did...

Even if one restricts the searching to very recent times, there is no marked difference in profile.

Clearly, cellular ""memory"" of a sort does exist. But, there is no evidence that it supports any of the earlier jW beliefs about personality transplants. If any is forthcoming, let us review it when it does.

Note also that if a kook believes in a thousand kooky things (as has the Watchtower) , a few of them are bound to turn out to have some truth behind them as knowledge develops. For it to be otherwise would require real skill on the part of the kook to manage to avoid the ones that did turn out to be partly correct...

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Focus
(Rational Class)

30

I studied the The Paradise Book...

by teejay in

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"... soul-chilling terror will spread through the masses... .

a flesh-eating plague will destroy many... eaten up will be .

the tongues of those who scoffed and laughed at the warning .

Focus

AIRVIEW1 wrote:

I remember dreaming about [..] having a beautiful wife like Eve. I still see her picture in my minds eye.

Sorry, the fox in question was taken to wife and to bed (and not in that order either) by Bro. Nate Knorr, who mauled her every aperture .. at Bethel too.

Kinda made how Freddie Franz starched those laundry boys rather pale and mooney in comparison.

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Focus
(Lusting Rachel Class)

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Some unwanted, but nonetheless needed, advice

by Focus in

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i truly welcome and encourage tatiana's humor at:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=19741&site=3.

i know exactly where tatiana was coming from, found it very funny and do not disapprove one iota.

Focus

Thank you, Celtic, AlanF and ISP, for your undeserved praise.

IslandWoman wrote:

always appreciate that others came before ya.

Yes - if others hadn't come, we sure wouldn't be here... Do you like stating the blindingly obvious? In return, I have left you some loving words at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=19708&page=3&site=3

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Focus
(Onan for Pope! Class)

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How many women does it take to screw in a lightbul

by Tatiana in

and do you know why it only takes one??

they don't even know the lightbulb is freaking burned out!

they would all sit in this freaking house in the dark for days before they tried to figure it out!

Focus

teejay wrote:

They weren't all the same? I'll have to take your word for it since I didn't read more than three of them.

I am sorry that you have proven yourself to be somewhat lacking in both caution and sense.

You concluded they were all the same without reading more than three of them.

Brilliant Work!!! A well-honed JW trait, that - knowing the contents of books and articles without actually reading them.

"I don't need to read such "spiritual pornography". I just know it is wrong!"

Liked that link, huh!? A clever touch, I thought.

No, what gave you either of those ideas? I neither liked it or disliked it, nor was it clever. I see you cut out my retort:
( http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=don%27t%20suffer%20fools%20gladly Class)

They were all about light bulbs, I thought. Go figure.

I do not need to go figure. Your reasoning powers, which yield the "answer"; that as all the jokes are about light bulbs, they must pretty much be all the same kind/essence of joke, is illuminating enough to preclude any need for figuring.....

I do not need a camp-follower, by the way... there is no vacancy, and never will be. Sorry to disappoint. But here's a crumb:
How many teejays does it take to change two light bulbs?

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Focus
(Enlightened Class)

23

How many JW's in the nazi camps?

by Norm in

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* some were arrested many times.

1950: 1,000 witnesses executed 1,000 died in prison and concentration camps:.

another 1,000 of jehovahs witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.

Focus

waiting wrote:

Note that what I insert here is neither within quote marks nor indented in Board style or with ">" or ":", and so is not to be attributed to waiting. It is conventional where a diagrammatic threading is not present to show at the top the identity of the person to whom the response is made.

waiting has had some difficulties comprehending this is in the past, and, rashly deluded into thinking that this practice represents some form of error on my part, has posted repeatedly that Focus has been caught out. Well, victories over me - even wholly bogus ones - must have some value for some... Weird...

Is it possible to have a discussion about a serious matter without throwing insults?

Yes. But sometimes, these are most necessary, and one becomes a party to the wrongdoing if one does not.

GermanJW's conduct in this thread has been shameful. His clarity and exactness of writing makes excuses of linguistic misunderstandings on his part a load of baloney or bratwurst.

GermanJW berates Norm for pointing out the very repeated use of (wildly fluctuating) jW death statistics in its "literature". But as you very rightly say:

Millions of Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, and so many others just adds to the absolute grossness of the situation. Jehovah's Witnesses [..] holding this situation up for pride or acknowledgement, is deplorable.

Precisely, waiting. The nail has been smitten truly on its head.

But GJW has expressed no criticism of the WT, but he attacks Norm (he refers to Norm's "remarks") for highlighting both the mercenary nature of the WTS (trading as it does upon the corpses of hundreds of jWs slaughtered by the Nazis) and the unreliability of the facts pronounced with such an air of certainty by this filthy, disgusting organization that sends its spiritual-pimps from door to door telling people:

"If you do not join our organization now, and accept all our beliefs, the LEADER OF OUR ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO SWOOP DOWN AND KILL YOU AND YOUR MINOR CHILDREN"

Yeah?

However, I see what German jw is speaking of.....as if there is a flippancy to the death of 635 persons

Alleged flippancy *WHERE*????

BY THE WATCHTOWER, for sure, by reversing themselves and contradicting themselves so many times on this matter. NOT BY NORM OR MYSELF.

Do not fall for GJW's pathetic strawman, where he criticizes what he wishes Norm wrote (or I wrote) rather than what was written.

If he can't understand English well enough (LOL! - which I do not buy for a minute), then he should stay clear of highly emotive subjects of this nature where his input is going to be criticizing an existing poster for the precise wording he uses..

And I take it his lack of criticism of the WTS on this can also be attributed to English not being his first language?

Yeah?

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Focus
("Engage brain first" Class)

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How many women does it take to screw in a lightbul

by Tatiana in

and do you know why it only takes one??

they don't even know the lightbulb is freaking burned out!

they would all sit in this freaking house in the dark for days before they tried to figure it out!

Focus

teejay wrote:

Focus,
How many of the same kind of joke has to be told before it's no longer a joke?

I don't know - do you? Probably just a few.

By your link you implied there was overkill in my response...

Well - barring any near duplicates that crept in - I would say that most of the jokes in the list I posted are not of the same "kind" as any other from the list. They'd each qualify for a place in the Ark, in jW-speak.

Hint: Because the jokes start with much the same question does not at all mean they are of the same "kind".

The essence (the bit that makes one laugh - do you laugh?) of most of those jokes is different.

Sure, almost all target some class or group of people. But so do most jokes. That is human nature.

I hope you can understand things better now, teejay.

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Focus
( http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=don%27t%20suffer%20fools%20gladly Class)

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How many JW's in the nazi camps?

by Norm in

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friends

* some were arrested many times.

1950: 1,000 witnesses executed 1,000 died in prison and concentration camps:.

another 1,000 of jehovahs witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.

Focus

GermanJW wrote:

I have some problems with your ad hominem attacks on my person including ridiculing my position

Good.

(1) I have bigger problems with your shameful apologia here for the Watchtower and their articles relating to the death camps, given:

(a) the German JW leader was an open collaborator with the Nazis - see Kent's site for plenty of information about Uncle Erich;
(b) JW President Rutherford had widely openly praised and aligned himself with the Nazi's racial and other policies eight years after the publication of Mein Kampf;
(c) their repeated implication that jWs (70%+ of whom survived the concentration camps, by the WT's own jumbled-up figures) individually suffered more persecution than Jews (less than 1% of whom survived the concentration camps);
(d) the authoritative way that the WT outputs material when they lack the facts and have not bothered to do any proper research;
(e) the shameful WT quote-cheating and manipulation, etc.

(2) Your position is ridiculous. It takes no ridiculing.

If the Watchtower had any shame or decency, they would apologize or at least maintain silence. Instead, they lie and crow about it, and even try to grab compensation money for Brooklyn out of funds intended for victims...

I have been gentle with you so far, believe you me.

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Focus
(Face The Facts Class)