tootired2care (love the name!) - I agree when it stays civil, interesting and a discussion. I also agree that certain elements on the religious right (Christians, Muslims, etc.) try to force society to accept their world view. Interestingly, there are also extremists on the Atheist side such as The Freedom From Religion movement that try and force feed their world view. I guess what I find interesting is that the majority of us broke free of condemnatory mind control by leaving the WTS. We all were guilty of looking down on anyone who didn't have the "Truth", yet many of us still engage in that type of behavior in whatever our "new" belief or non-belief system might be by looking down on the opposing view point. Again, I agree the discussion is important.
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Why does it matter?
by tenyearsafter ini have been on this forum for a number of years now, and one thing that seems to be a persisting theme is the "battle" between atheists and believers.. what i have not understood is the extent to which the supporters of either side engage in showing their position to be the correct one...and in turn debunking and demeaning the opposing position, or in many cases, insulting the intelligence of the holder of opposing belief.
i guess the simple question is, why?
does it really matter, or cause harm to be a supporter of either side of the coin?
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Why does it matter?
by tenyearsafter ini have been on this forum for a number of years now, and one thing that seems to be a persisting theme is the "battle" between atheists and believers.. what i have not understood is the extent to which the supporters of either side engage in showing their position to be the correct one...and in turn debunking and demeaning the opposing position, or in many cases, insulting the intelligence of the holder of opposing belief.
i guess the simple question is, why?
does it really matter, or cause harm to be a supporter of either side of the coin?
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Prologos - I understand that truth is reality, but if a person wants to believe in what you percieve to be a fantasy, why would it matter if they aren't harming others or engaging in negative or condescending comments about the opposing view?
OTWO - I tend to be more like you and take a moderate point of view. I agree that zealots of either persuasion are going to go on their self appointed crusades...and JW's are typical of that mind set, and the reason I didn't include the extremes in my question. I understand this is a discussion board, but it often tends to deteriote in to an insult forum. I enjoy reading the comments and thoughts of our posters, but I get turned off when it degrades to name calling.
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Why does it matter?
by tenyearsafter ini have been on this forum for a number of years now, and one thing that seems to be a persisting theme is the "battle" between atheists and believers.. what i have not understood is the extent to which the supporters of either side engage in showing their position to be the correct one...and in turn debunking and demeaning the opposing position, or in many cases, insulting the intelligence of the holder of opposing belief.
i guess the simple question is, why?
does it really matter, or cause harm to be a supporter of either side of the coin?
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I have been on this forum for a number of years now, and one thing that seems to be a persisting theme is the "battle" between Atheists and Believers.
What I have not understood is the extent to which the supporters of either side engage in showing their position to be the correct one...and in turn debunking and demeaning the opposing position, or in many cases, insulting the intelligence of the holder of opposing belief. I guess the simple question is, why? Does it really matter, or cause harm to be a supporter of either side of the coin? I am not talking about harmful cults, but moderate people of either leaning.
I am sure that Believers will say that they are charged with sharing the Gospel to help save non-believers from an eternal judgment, but putting that aside, why would it matter that someone is an Atheist or Agnostic? Conversely, why would Atheists care if someone is a Believer (again, not a cultist).
I would be interested in hearing from those that feel compelled to set the other side straight as to why they feel that is so important.
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Ear worm!!
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Mother Forces 5 Year-Old Son To . . .
by Zandor incan anyone here, lay person or professional describe or give insights into the effects the following has on a child?.
when my friend, the middle child of 3 siblings, was five years old, his mother took him by the hand and led him to the house where his father was having an affair with another woman.
she opened the door to confront her husband who was actually in the act of having sex with the other woman, and deliberately exposed her young son to this drama.. .
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Pretty ugly...and the young man obviously suffered damage from the encounter. I am curious...if the man was caught in the act, and they were at the other woman's house, how did the wife catch him in the act without breaking in to the home. In the U.S., that would be considered a felony if the intent was pre-formed.
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Do You Think Many Engaged JW Couples Fooled Around B4 Marriage?
by minimus inwhen i was an elder, i had a few couples approach me to confess that they either played around or went all the way.. i suspect there were many more that did not admit to it, though..
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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
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In general, the people on this forum have a poor outlook spiritually speaking.
by Stand for Pure Worship inso i waz reading the august 15 wt study article, elisha saw fiery chariots, do you?
and it made me think about this forum.
if you remember, syria was hunting god's prophet, elisha.
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Folks, as you can see, SFPW starts threads but rarely follows up with direct responses to the posts on the provocative threads he starts.
SFPW is either a "wanna be" satirist or a world class troll. If we feed in to his threads with passionate responses, we are just feeding his need to mock those sincere posters on JWN.
Why keep feeding this behavior?...
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135th Gilead Class video
by zound inwhoah this video is so sad and cultlike - the most uncomfortable 6 minutes i've sat through for awhile.
the gb have seemingly pulled the rug from beneath the gillead missionaries and assigned them internally to bolster the organisation.
closing the ranks.. .
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Making lemonade out of lemons...
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Can this be true?
by tenyearsafter ini was listening to a news report yesterday that said that after two weeks of being available to the public, only 226 people here in colorado had signed up for health coverage under the aca offered through the colorado state exchange.
that seems hard to grasp...the population here is over 5mm, so that works out to .0045% (if my math is correct) of the population signing up for health insurance.
the report also mentioned that besides the 226 that actually signed up for insurance coverage, another 2800 created a log in account, but made no insurance purchase.. do other states seem to have the same underwhelming response to this program?...either the program is flawed, or there isn't the demand for health coverage that the government anticipated and sold as fact to the american public.. i do know that my wife's current coverage was cancelled (as not compliant with aca requirements, whatever that means!
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Berengaria...it is difficult to fact check, and that is why I asked if this sounded "true" in line with other States. Both of these reports were from our local news stations here in the Denver area. I am always a little skeptical about "news reports", but this just seemed too crazy to make up. I have been trying to fact check numbers, but I am having a hard time finding definitive verification other than comments like "exchanges have been overwhelmed" or "websites have crashed". It would beinteresting to see what the real numbers are thus far.
I have heard that 45MM people are unisured and need to register to get in to the "system". Again, I don't know if that is a real number or political rhetoric from either side of the issue talking. If the number is correct, it would seem that this will be a VERY long process if the current sign up challenges persist.
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Can this be true?
by tenyearsafter ini was listening to a news report yesterday that said that after two weeks of being available to the public, only 226 people here in colorado had signed up for health coverage under the aca offered through the colorado state exchange.
that seems hard to grasp...the population here is over 5mm, so that works out to .0045% (if my math is correct) of the population signing up for health insurance.
the report also mentioned that besides the 226 that actually signed up for insurance coverage, another 2800 created a log in account, but made no insurance purchase.. do other states seem to have the same underwhelming response to this program?...either the program is flawed, or there isn't the demand for health coverage that the government anticipated and sold as fact to the american public.. i do know that my wife's current coverage was cancelled (as not compliant with aca requirements, whatever that means!
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Anony mous...actually, the wife's policy was an individual policy...she is self-employed, so I don't know why they cancelled her.
Designs, in the case of Colorado the Governor is a Democrat, so I doubt it is being sabotaged. I just got the feeling from report that people are just not going to the website to complete the process.
Talesin...it could be related to the shutdown, but Colorado has it's own insurance exchange, so I don't know if that is funded by the Feds or not.
As an update, I heard in a different report today that only 300 have signed up for coverage...crazy.