Posts by dogon

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Are You Afraid of The Biblical God?Does This Fear Stunt Your Intelligence?

by frankiespeakin in

are you afraid of the biblical god?.

are you afraid of a god that can read your mind.

if so have you ever considered this a form of mind control?

dogon

When I beleived in the fairy tales of the pretend god of the bible it did stunt my ability to think and reason. Now that I have let such foolishness go, I could no more believe in talking snakes then little green men from another world.

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Weird stuff individuals believe

by bluecanary in

this thread doesn't just have to be about jws.

it's about the weird stuff that isn't taught by the religion, but an individual believes it.

my examples:.

dogon

The type of people that buy into talking snakes and virgin births will gulp down anything. How far of a leap is it from a man living in a fish for 3 days to smerfs driving home from meeting? Its the same crazy path. I have never been happier than to be atheist and free from not only the dubdom but religion. The longer I deprogram myself the more clear it is that religion is such a scam. Either you have freddie brown shoes saying stay alive till 75 or you have a guy in pointy hat that says not having sex is gods will and covering up sex abuse by preists on alter boys. Its all crazy voodoo talk. Nothing good comes from religion. History is full of people in the name of god doing what they think was gods will and killing others in the name of some god or anohter. When the planes flew into the towers they were yelling Allah Akabar. or god is great.

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I can't take this pain anymore...my life at dead end

by JustHuman14 in

my life has reached to a dead end...i'm stuck and there is no way out.

i was inactive for 6 years and i'm disfellowshiped for the past 3. i would never think that my life would have been in this terrible mess.. .

i wasn't planned to be disfellowshiped by my "wife" turned me in to the elders for apostasy 2 times!!!

dogon

BTW you all have every right to teach your children that the bible is myth or at min, that the WT has many holes in its teachings. You can invite your wife to sit down and debate with you and the kids. It is not only your right but duty. If you let things go down the easy path now, you will loose your children for life when the get older and stick to this mind control of an org. It is like treating the sickness now or waiting. If you wait it will cause much more damage or even kill the relationship. I have seen this so many times. Fortunatly all my family that holds any meaning to me has given up this cult and all religion. But I planted seeds of question over the years.

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I can't take this pain anymore...my life at dead end

by JustHuman14 in

my life has reached to a dead end...i'm stuck and there is no way out.

i was inactive for 6 years and i'm disfellowshiped for the past 3. i would never think that my life would have been in this terrible mess.. .

i wasn't planned to be disfellowshiped by my "wife" turned me in to the elders for apostasy 2 times!!!

dogon

Remember like anyone or any organization, they only have the power you give them. Your prison is of your own making. You are the one in charge over your home except in spiritual thing according to the dubs. Tell you wife NO PARTIES in your home unless it you invite them, and the children are not going to any parties outside the home that you do not approve. The dubs will tell your wife that she still has to obey your rulings except when it comes to going to meetings, service and study. Other than that you still are in charge according to dubdom. If I were you I would just move out and document all the things she does and try to get the kids. But either way I would move on with my life. A friend of mine who was a Psychiatrist told me something worth remembering, if you are not happy in your life just change it. So many people get caught in ruts and just sit there unwilling to try new things or change their life. You have to get away from the base of people who do nothing but simply try to degrade you into submission to their way of thinking. You have used your mind to question teachings that do not make sense to anyone who thinks. For this you are criticized and called names. It is those who use such infantile attacks to try school yard tactics to force others to do as they want that are the ones that are in the wrong and the little minds. You have to get away from these people as they are toxic. Their toxic attitudes will rub off on you and seem like they already have started. You are not helping your children by staying in a loveless marriage, a marriage where your partner is working against you to force you to do what she thinks. I also am in a new relationship where it is ok for one to believe that there is something other than happenstance and the other to be atheist with out trying to berate each other to their side. Even if you or she wins there will never be that feeling of love or togetherness. If you stood up and told her how you feel and that you can not live in a relationship like this, and walk out, it may take away here feeling of power she obviously feels she has over you. You will feel much better about your self than you do now and if she does not respond move on because she loves a myth and book of stories and an organization more than you.

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INSIGHT Vol 1= "Noahs grandson raped him while noah was drunk." What??

by Witness 007 in

reding insight volume on "canaan" p.399-400 today i come across this unkown watchtower theory...noahs grandson canaan sexually abused noah while he was drunk!

firstly can i say....yuck, why would he...noah was 580 years old!

gen 9;22 "the expression "saw his fathers nakedness" may indicate some abuse or perversion that involved canaan is a reasonable conclusion.

dogon

Lots daughters has sex with him because it was so imedatly needed that they get preggers that they could not wait until they got to the next town some 10 miles away. Damn that book the bible is so stupid and full of crap I really do not understand why any one would give it a first look not to mention a second.

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How ZEALOUS a JW were you?

by BonaFide in

or maybe you are still a zealous jw.

i became a regular pioneer while i was still in high school.

i used to set my alarm for 5 am three times a week and walk a few blocks to do streetwork.

dogon

Just enough to keep me from being DFed or associated.

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Burning Question: Snacks at Kingdom Hall

by TreadClimberMaster in

i have not been to a kingdom hall for years, about 6. i have been going to other churches, namely, unity, unitarian and tonight a jewish reform temple.

what i notice at all of these churches is one recurring theme: they all serve snacks, coffee and punch in the foyer before and after the services.

this is really nice and i truly enjoy it!

dogon

There has always been a sort of disconect when it comes in to a question of fun or association. They even quit in most congergations have stopped summer get togeathers. I think they feel that attention on anything but knocking on doors and looking up scriptures.

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My experience at the District Convention today - Appreciate your comments

by BonaFide in

i know i am the one to constantly harp on this board how the organization has lost its "swagger" and the baptism and attendance is going down, and people are waking up.. not so fast.. the audience cried, i mean a lot of people cried when they played some of the songs from the new songbook.

some had bethel singers who sounded pretty good singing them.

so many after the program were saying how touched they were.. then the new release of the book showing how the book of acts prefigures the organization today.

dogon

there is only one thing to do. Get out and live a good an happy life away from the cult. You can not change their minds just as you could not change the minds of many of the Jones Town Kool aid drinkers. You first have to save yourself and you can not do it by being involved in that cult. I have learned how to effectively argue against religion and Jehovah's Witnesses, and you can have the most clear argument that no jury could refuse and they will not take it to heart. Do not waste your time. Find others that are like minded and be happy. The assemblies are designed as a propaganda tool. Joseph Goebbels was no fool, do you think the Nuremberg rallies were for any other purpose other than to keep thinking aligned with the state? They use the same type fallacy of appeal to the masses. It is designed to create and reinforce emotional responses in the masses and to keep them from questioning what is obviously the bigger questions like why have they been wrong on every prediction they have every given. As Lincoln said;

[Abraham Lincoln, from "What Great Men Think Of Religion" by Ira Cardiff]

"I am approached with the most opposite opinions and advice, and by religious men who are certain they represent the Divine will. ... I hope it will not be irreverent in me to say, that if it be probable that God would reveal his will to others, on a point so connected with my duty, it might be supposed he would reveal it directly to me."

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Shortest eldership ever?

by outofthebox in

as many of you know, while i was already a member of this forum and very much awake i became an elder.

so, there is no holy spirit involved on those appoinments boys and girls.. i tried my best wake up people, but is not that easy you know.. months later i decided it was enough and decide to move away.

i can't give you any details at the moment, but .... rumor has it, i am not an elder anymore.

dogon

I used to argue with my old partner Daryl Kunde all the time about that. I asked if he listened to the example given by the speaker at the assembly the week before, it was the one [and maybe many here have heard it] where there was a stazi agent who infiltrated the East German Witnesses. He had worked up to Circuit overseer and was just about to give out all his information when he was struck by lightning. Since the state would go into his apt. and gather all his belongings the Witnesses ran to gather up the information he would naturally have laying around when they got there they found he was a stazi agent and took the information he was about to give the state. I asked Kunde if god directs the installation of people he sees fit to eldership, then god wanted a Stazi agent as an Elder and eventually a CO? All I could get out of Kunta as we called him was "God must have seen something good in that man or he would not have appointed him." I was amazed at how Kunta missed the point or was just plane dodging it because he had not logical argument.

Now after a bit of study on how the Stazi or any intelligence agency works they would not let an agent work for years with no contact, in fact they would be watching all the people that he would have given the names of as soon as he came into contact with them. In retrospect this story was nothing more than a urban legend created by the society or a few brothers that sounded good. Just as the Harold Hill story I just posted on another post, a little research and the story falls apart fast.

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Shock! As the Elder gets bitten by a snake while on a JC mission.

by african GB Member in

suppose an elder is sent out to spy on a suspected wrongdoer, he hides in a bush next to the suspect's house, suddenly he hears something moving in the grass, he gets bitten by a rattle-snake,.

will he shout for the suspect to come help?.

will he keep his integrity by shunning him until death?.

dogon

Are there no real issues instead of making up things? I was just posted by a Christian that was trying to prove the bible is correct by this post;

Since you started this with a passive agressive manor, I figure you should at least be able to grasp that if you push a button you get a responce just as you planned. When debating such one can never make head way. Thus you got Mr. SE to get angry with you. So you see you got the responces you asked for, yet I still say "GOD Still loves you."

Now a tid bit that may aid you at some point in time, as you claim to be in the rational thinking man of logic then you can grasp that NASA has to use such a standard in what they do to figure out complex calculation. So without any futher adieu;

Mr. Harold Hill who owns a Areo Space company, Curtis Engiene Co, had a project to work with NASA to send up a Satellite's that will be in orbit for the next 100 years, thus as he and his crew of Scientest found they could not get a proper calcuation on the timing for the next 100 years, as in they found a full day missing, as in 24 hours.

This puzzeled them for months and they could not figure it out no matter what they tried. As the orbits that the satellite travels they needed to be 100% sure that the sun would not create dead zones etc. I am not a scientist so I am not totaly sure of all the reasons, but one of the scientist working on this project noted the following, from the book of Joshua 10,12,13, when GOD made the sun stand still for a day, thus a calculation was done and strangley enough they found 23, hours and 20 minutes of missing time.

Though still missing 40 minutes the scientist all agreed that perhaps the bible may be based on truth, yet why the missing 40 minutes, so the same fellow that brought up the passage from Joshua, thought about it and said there is yet one other passage, from Kings 20,9.11 when GOD made the sun go backwards by 10* after the scientist did the culcuation the mising 40 minutes was found.
Strange how a book you noted as being the same value as a comic book solved a complex problem. How what you state as Child Like belief was able to fix a problem that "LOGIC" could not.

Again, "GOD LOVES YOU."

{ Man has never fought any war for GOD, = Man fights wars for one man who wins, and for one man who looses.} Thats fact.

The bottom line, I once was like yourself and felt the way you do, that I could use logic for everything, I applaud you for your standing and trying to hold your ground. When you hit your fifties you may not change, even when you hit your seventies you may not change, but just as many I have known in the past, when they were at the end the one thing they all have done is ask that "GOD FORGIVE them!"