Posts by dogon

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How do you view the people you left behind?

by sabastious in

i had a lot of anger towards them for a good amount of time.

but now, i like to think about the good times we had.

i like to think about their attributes i admired.

dogon

I don't think of them much and don't think much of them. I was smart enough and so are many here to figure out that it is bull shit on a grand scale. As I told my old partner in Michigan who dumped his brother because he did not get reinstated after the"new arrangement" in the late 70s. He said it was his brother who left the religion. I said yes but its you who left your brother. If these idiots will piss on their own blood what chance do I have? None thats how much. To break free you have to work it out in your own mind that its bull shit and understand why. Then move on and move away if you like me lived in a small town where people treated you like a pedophile for not going to meetings. I moved and don't think about them much anymore. I have become so secure in my understanding of the cult that I could no more go back to meetings then to join the NAMBLA group. They equally make me sick to the point of vomiting. I no longer believe that some invisible sky god listens to what I am thinking judging me and answering my prayers and needs. I don't believe in a bible [book put together by the council of Nicea under Constantine the great in A.D. 325] as some inerrant word of god. A book that is at best bad literature and at worst a guide on how treat others with contempt and very poorly. Its bull shit from the first page of Gen. to the last page of Rev. Fuck how anyone could read this clap trap and think for a second that its the word of a supreme invisible sky god.

That a talking snake that was really an angle gone bad talked a woman made of a rib from a man made of mud into eating a piece of fruit from a tree that dispensed knowledge of good and evil. When the tree right next to it was the tree of everlasting life. If the snake [really and angle gone wild] was so smart why not have her eat from the tree of life first and then eat from the tree of good and bad and put god in a real dilemma, He would have to break one of his promises to fulfill the other. Its a sheep herders attempt to try to understand the world around them.

Thor beating the anvil is what thunder really is has more appeal than this crap story. And the Greeks have them all beat with Medusa and krakins.

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Another Armageddon Thread...This Time May be for REAL?!?

by Yan Bibiyan in

with the ensuing unrest in north africa and the middle east, i wonder if some "zealous" brothers and sisters are saying: "this is it!!!"..

didn't armageddon suppose to start in the mideast?

isn't the unrest moving closer and closer to israel?

dogon

Think of men in black where Tommy lee Jones said there is always some end of the world problem. I sold off all my guns and started to pioneer when the iron curtain came down in 92. I have since bought many of my guns back and left the org in 96 when they changed the def. of Generation. There has always been and always will be some catastrophe happening and the dubbs will always be attributing it to the end times. Its all bull shit so don't get caught up in the propaganda. That said humans do have some problems that will cause us a lot of trouble. We are at peak oil right now, the USA reached this in 71, the world in about 06. Water, fresh water is running low for what the population is using, and in the north pacific gyre its a bowl of plastic soup. We have a lot of man made problems and idiots like the Republicans keep saying it ain't so. Well we are most likely going to see 4$ a gallon oil in summer and those of us who are so stupid as to think the 1.35 a gallon gas a year ago was normal and kept the SUV and Silverado are going to wish they had the Honda.

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My conversation and growing friendship with a 68 year old Witness (a victim of the '75 lie) Most older witnesses know something isnt 'right.'

by Joliette in

great friendship that i'm growing with a older woman here in milwaukee.. she's a really nice woman.

i like talking to her, and she tells me that she tries to listen to the 'younger folks.

' she said, she actually enjoys talking.

dogon

Old vs young in the cult have different reasons for giving a pass to the things that are wrong. People who have invested all their life and time giving up putting any money aside for the future because they would be "throwing it in the streets" now have some 40 or 50 years invested and can not make up at this late date for all they did wrong. They have to live the lie or admit their whole life was a failure. The young many are just not developed in critical thinking skills and brain washed to challenge any ideas that do not make sense. Its a catch 22. The borg knows it and uses this to keep people in place. Its all about money and power. Some at the top may be so deluded like Limbaugh drinking his own kool-aid but many have to know what they are doing.

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Is the April 2011 Auxillary Pioneer 30 hours official ???

by RubaDub in

we were not at the meeting last weekend and just wondering if the "30 hour" rule for april 2011 pioneer hours was actually read to the congregations ???.

rub a dub.

dogon

I think the real goal here is nothing more than spreading out the pain of going in service. If you lower the time needed to get the title of Pioneer than more people will do it. Thereby keeping up the hours spent to bring in new recruits. If 5 people put in 50 hours but now they drop to 2 who are putting in the time, if you lower that time and give a title out you get say 10 or 12 people now putting in 30 hours instead of 50. You had 5 people putting in 250 hours now you have 10 putting in 30 and you have gained a net increase of propaganda spreading. I think its only reason is to up the time spent spreading the bull shit. Take the price down on the crap soda and more people will be lured into buy and profits actually go up.

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Political/Religious rant

by sabastious in

i've noticed that humans work better in small groups of like minded individuals.

the congregation books studies were always more enjoyable than the kingdom hall meetings to speak from a jw perspective.. when more people get involved the worse the scanario can get.

not to say all large groups are corrupt or even to say that all small groups are benign.

dogon

The USA has become so corrupt that it is not a Republic anymore. As the late great Carlin put it there is a club and you and I ain't in it. Lobbyist and supreme court decision giving corporations the status of an individual allowing them to contribute vast amounts of cash to the person who will vote for legalized rape of what ever will turn a profit for the corporations. Add in a growing spread of racism and the tea bagging movement [a movement that spun out of racism] and right wing Christian nut jobs, that run from the Westboro Baptist Church to Jerry Fallwell and his ilk and you have one bipolar nation that is much like Baby Hughie. Its big and strong and has the brain of a pea.

America is a nation where 50% of the population fights science and maturity. Fat old white people who hang tea bags from tricorn hats and bring guns to political events, because a guy in the white house has a tan. The wrong kind of tan, unlike the tan man from Ohio. Many applaud the shooting of Tiller in Wichita. I saw many here where I unfortunately live for the time being holding signs that said we support Broder [tillers assassin] The bible is a source of much evil here in the good old USA where they omitted the part about blacks being 3/5s of a human when the new tea bag house read the constitution. But this is coming from a group that can read the bible and gloss over all the crazy shit and there is a lot of crazy shit in that book. No the USA is powerful in its military but it is weak in mind and most of its on the Right.

The shooting of a congresswoman this weekend show it. The right like Limbaugh spewed hate speech even after that saying it was the left that brought it on. That the shooter was a drugged up nut. [this coming from a guy who pays his maid to buy Oxy.] Tea baggers to the abortion assassins, to the museum in Kentucky where they show Noah riding a triceratops, they are nuts here. From the anti gays to the anti abortion to the anti government tea baggers and those who collect Medicare and social security and tell the government to keep out of it, we are a nation of idiots and the years of fighting against intellectuals has bore fruit.

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JC question: Do you accept the FDS as God's organization?

by MrMonroe in

my wife and i had stopped going to meetings in april; in december of that year we travelled interstate and stayed with the witness couple who had "brought me into the truth".

we had already told them we'd quit meetings and there was a certain tension in the air for the first couple of days until sunday morning, when, over a breakfast that eventually lasted several hours, they began to interrogate us about why we had left.

had we been stumbled?

dogon

I was asked this about twice a year. I told them they were like the cops asking me go solve a case,, you have the gun you have the badge you do the foot work and don't ask me to give you the rope to hang me. When told that they are sorry for the way my life has gone, I respond that I am sorry to see the way their life has gone and I grieve for them. Throw the pittly party right back in their face. But the best way to live if leavt them all of them alone. Find new people who are not judgmental and forget the fools who are like the Westboro baptist church saying everyone is going to die and only the small band of idiots is saved. You can not win as reason does not exist in their world.

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Millions Now Living Will Never Die----Where Does That Come From?

by cameo-d in

isn't that wt's calling card?

isn't that how it all started?

where does this phrase "millions now living will never die" come from?

dogon

The more proper way to put it would have been Millions now alive will never really live.

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No Tape Recorders at Elder Schools? WTS Hanging Elders Out to Dry

by skeeter1 in

elders are not allowed to bring tape recorders to elder school or elders-only type meetings.

elders can only take hand notes, usually inside the wide margins inside the elder's book.

i think the watch tower society is hanging the elders out to dry.. 1) being an elder is an important job, let's face it.

dogon

The tower has always insisted on blind obedience and at the same time kept the privilege of throwing anyone under the bus that made it easy for them to skate scott free if necessary. They have not honor nor morals.

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Flow Chart - How To Have A Rational Discussion

by cofty in

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dogon

Dubbers do not play by the rules others play by. I once had a conversation with an elder named Kunde who said that dubbers are open minded in all things but to material critical to dubdom. I said you can not be open minded and use the word except in any way shape or form. I have them run from my door shaking their bibles yelling they have the true god when they are confronted with the smallest amount of evidence to the contrary of the cult. They are taught from the second the indoctrination is started to feel superior to anyone not in the cult. This is a reinforcement tactic that keeps people with low self esteem in the cult. They are told that not to rely on their own understanding as it is faulty and to rely on those god has chosen. By making the equation Gov. Body=God you go against god if you go against any of the dubdom authority. This keeps many so scared of even uttering the most minimal of questions. Its a good system for mind control, it worked well for Jim Jones.

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...Watchtower World..A place where "Stupid is Better!"...

by OUTLAW in

"watchtower world"... "a place where "stupid is better!"...

the wbt$ is always doing something stupid..from the begining of the wbt$ to this very day... stupid is on the menu,in watchtower world... .

it never ends..there is always something stupid happening within the wbt$... these are bethel one liners..bethelites have posted on jwd/jwn... that i have collected over time... .

dogon

My fav. lines are from the people. They can be so blinded and do not under stand that there is a difference between idealistic and being a blind zealot. When I was at one meeting many years ago and they stopped the food service, one blind zealot answered the question of what can we do to make the new arrangement go better. She said "we can all just buckle down and not eat for a day at the assembly. " The elder Schroder who has never been known to pass a meal up nor his family and they show it, for the first time I have ever seen in all the years of knowing him put down a blind zealot. He told here that he was not going to go a day with out eating. I guess that stomach trumps zealot, at least with some.

There was an idiot in Florida Arcadia when I lived there named Herron who raised his hand to answer the question of what we can do to help our children be good witnesses and said, "I told my kids even if they put a gun in your face you never renounce Jehovah. " It was funny because everyone knew he was running around drinking and sleeping around, he was not baptized and knew little to nothing about the cult. Dubbers are like a homeless shelter they attract some of the weirdest people I have ever known.